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Birth Certificate HELP!!!!

Postby mikesantorosr » 21 Feb 2012, 01:19

Hello,

I have been working on my families genealogy for my grandmother. I found the certificates for my great grandfather Michele and his twin brother Marco. I also found his older Brother Andrew. I was hoping to find additional information about their parents. I know their father was Vito but, do not know the maiden name for his wife. My grandmother believed it was Josephine. However, I'm having trouble reading the handwriting on both documents. Can anyone please tell me the name of the mother listed on both (they appear different). I sincerely appreciate any help anyone can provide me.

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Postby Italysearcher » 23 Feb 2012, 11:24

The mother's name is the same on all the records. Giovannina Chiaviarelli or similar. Look for their marriage, it might be clearer on that document.
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Postby liviomoreno » 23 Feb 2012, 12:23

The mother's name seems to be Giovannina Chiaravalle.

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Postby mikesantorosr » 23 Feb 2012, 12:45

Could Josephine be a nickname for Giovannina? Does it say how old she might be? I believe he was the Andrew was the first child born it could help me estimate a wedding date.

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Postby liviomoreno » 23 Feb 2012, 12:52

The age is not recorded.
Josephine is the equivalent of Giuseppina.
Giovannina is derived from Giovanna = Joan

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Re: Birth Certificate HELP!!!!

Postby adelfio » 23 Feb 2012, 15:09

1890 Oct 9th Marriage of Vito Santoro age 22 farmer son of Andrea Santoro and Mariantonia Colangelo married to Giovannina Chiaravalle age 18 parents unknown GENITORI IGNOTO
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Postby mikesantorosr » 23 Feb 2012, 16:40

Oh my goodness thank you so much Adelfio. I have been searching through the records all morning. Thank YOU!!!!

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Postby mikesantorosr » 23 Feb 2012, 16:47

Adelfio,

Do you think she could be an orphan than? Or is that common a common phrase on documents?

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Postby adelfio » 23 Feb 2012, 17:04

Look for the marriage publication for 1890 it might say
Here is something else I found
Father of Vito Santoro/ Andrea Santoro death record
1882 June 16 death of Andrea Santoro age 46 (birth abt 1836) son of deceased Vito Santoro and deceased Domenica Di Motta wife of Mariantonia Colangelo
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Postby mikesantorosr » 23 Feb 2012, 17:33

Can you understand how he died? I have my dictionary out, but I'm still struggling with the hand writing.

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Postby mikesantorosr » 23 Feb 2012, 17:36

Also,

I found that marriage publication if you have the time I would love some help figuring out any information about Giovannia and her parents.

Thanks,

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Postby adelfio » 23 Feb 2012, 17:44

mikesantorosr wrote:Can you understand how he died? I have my dictionary out, but I'm still struggling with the hand writing.

No cause of death usually the cause of death usually not on italian death records. Just says he died in a house in Avigilano location contrada Luperio ???

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Postby liviomoreno » 23 Feb 2012, 18:04

adelfio wrote:1890 Oct 9th Marriage of Vito Santoro age 22 farmer son of Andrea Santoro and Mariantonia Colangelo married to Giovannina Chiaravalle age 18 parents unknown GENITORI IGNOTO
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mikesantorosr wrote:Do you think she could be an orphan than? Or is that common a common phrase on documents?


As Marty said, "Genitori Ignoti" means "Unknown Parents", therefore Giovannina was an abandoned child...

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Postby adelfio » 23 Feb 2012, 18:53

Here is the death record of Mariantonia Colangelo wife of Andrea Santoro
Potenza > Avigliano > Atti di Morte > 1892 11th of May death of Mariantonia Colangelo age 54 farmer daughter of Giacomo Colangelo and Margerita Giordano widow of Andrea Santoro
Present at the death
Vito Santoro age 24
Donato Antonio Santoro age 26
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You have info now you can go back through the records of Avigilano and find other family members

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