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Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby bgkittell » 07 Mar 2012, 02:37

I'm looking for information on a Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?), born Sassano, Salerno, Italy, 23 Jan 1864. He came to America ca. 1886, possibly with his cousin Michele Camarano. Joseph "Rich" was married to a Genevieve Carlo (Giovanina Carle), born Sassano 26 Nov 1867. Joseph's mother was Rose Camarano. Genevieve's parents were Ambrose Carlo and Antonia Calendriella (Calandriello). Joseph "Rich" is my wife's great grandfather. George Kittell, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 07 Mar 2012, 23:50

bgkittell wrote:I'm looking for information on a Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?), born Sassano, Salerno, Italy, 23 Jan 1864. He came to America ca. 1886, possibly with his cousin Michele Camarano. Joseph "Rich" was married to a Genevieve Carlo (Giovanina Carle), born Sassano 26 Nov 1867. Joseph's mother was Rose Camarano. Genevieve's parents were Ambrose Carlo and Antonia Calendriella (Calandriello). Joseph "Rich" is my wife's great grandfather. George Kittell, Minneapolis, Minnesota.


Hello, George! Welcome to the forum...
Not sure if you have this manifest already :-)

Arriving New York in February 1891 on the Britannia
Giovannina Carlo, age 26
son (figlio) Francesco, age 1
Antonia Calendriello, age 54 (her mother?)

Lines 67, 68, 69
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These early manifests give very little information :-(
Where in the US did they settle? Was it Minnesota, always?

Here is a possible WWI Draft Registration for Francesco/Frank Ricci/Rich
Born in Sassano, Italy on 14 Oct 1889
Living in Duluth, Minnesota, with wife and two children
Occupation is restaurant proprietor

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 00:17

Minnesota State Census, 1895 for Frank Rich

Name: Frank Rich
Titles & Terms (original):
Residence: Duluth city, Ward 01, St. Louis, Minnesota
Age: 6y
Estimated Birth Year: 1889
Place of Birth: Italy
Race (original): W
Gender: Male
Line Number: 17
Family Number: 80
Page Number: 60
GSU Film Number: 000565807
Household Gender Age
Jo Rich M 30y (Giuseppe Ricci?)
Jennie Rich F 26y (Giovannina Carlo Ricci?)
Toney Rich F 55y (Antonia Calendriella?)
Frank Rich M 6y (Francesco Ricci?)

Here is 1930 Census for Frank Rich
Name: Frank A Rich
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Duluth, St. Louis, Minnesota
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1890
Immigration Year: 1891
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Enumeration District Number: 0047
Family Number: 309
Sheet Number and Letter: 12B
Line Number: 87
NARA Publication: T626, roll 1126
Film Number: 2340861
Digital Folder Number: 4610080
Image Number: 00383
Household Gender Age
Frank A Rich M 40
Spouse Elin A Rich F 36
Child Howard Rich M 16
Child Marion Rich F 14
Eunice Johnson F 20

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 00:25

You can view the civil registrations (births, marriage, deaths) for Sassano, Italy at your nearest LDS Family History Center. They have available to rent and view the records from 1866-1910 on microfilm. You won't find Giuseppe's birth there (if he was born 1864), but you should find Giovannina's birth, and probably their marriage record...
https://www.familysearch.org/eng/librar ... Sassano+++

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby bgkittell » 08 Mar 2012, 18:33

Thank you! I didn't even know that Joseph = Giuseppe. A marriage certificate would be especially helpful, I would think. George Kittell
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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby bgkittell » 08 Mar 2012, 19:16

Thank you for the ship's manifest, etc. Somewhat of a puzzle to me is that Joseph "Rich" came to America ca. 1886 (Hartford, Connecticut) and then onto Duluth, Minnesota ca. 1890. (I couldn't find him in the 1900 census). Then his "wife" (+ mother) and "son" came to America in 1891. For Joseph to be the father of Frank, then Joseph & Giovannina had to have been together (either in America or Italy) ca. Jan 1889 (9 months prior to Frank). I'm guessing that possibly Joseph went back to Italy for a visit ca. 1888. Why aren't there ship's records for 1886/7? George Kittell
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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 21:20

bgkittell wrote:Thank you for the ship's manifest, etc. Somewhat of a puzzle to me is that Joseph "Rich" came to America ca. 1886 (Hartford, Connecticut) and then onto Duluth, Minnesota ca. 1890. (I couldn't find him in the 1900 census). Then his "wife" (+ mother) and "son" came to America in 1891. For Joseph to be the father of Frank, then Joseph & Giovannina had to have been together (either in America or Italy) ca. Jan 1889 (9 months prior to Frank). I'm guessing that possibly Joseph went back to Italy for a visit ca. 1888. Why aren't there ship's records for 1886/7? George Kittell


Hi George! :-)

Ellis Island didn't start processing immigrants until 1892... and the records before 1900 are often skimpy in the amount of information they provided. :-(
Prior to that ships arrived at Castle Garden and there are SOME records available.
However, there were other points of entry for ships... Philadelphia, Boston, New Orleans, etc. AND there were also points of entry along the borders with Canada and Mexico. Giuseppe (Joseph) may have entered in any number of ways in 1886/7, and we may never find that record. :(
Unfortunately, there are no records of immigrations BACK to Italy...
We'll just keep searching to see what we CAN find keeping in mind that the names may be misispelled and dates and ages may be inaccurate in the records :?

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 21:21

bgkittell wrote:Thank you for the ship's manifest, etc. Somewhat of a puzzle to me is that Joseph "Rich" came to America ca. 1886 (Hartford, Connecticut) and then onto Duluth, Minnesota ca. 1890. (I couldn't find him in the 1900 census). Then his "wife" (+ mother) and "son" came to America in 1891. For Joseph to be the father of Frank, then Joseph & Giovannina had to have been together (either in America or Italy) ca. Jan 1889 (9 months prior to Frank). I'm guessing that possibly Joseph went back to Italy for a visit ca. 1888. Why aren't there ship's records for 1886/7? George Kittell


Where did you find the reference to Hartford, Connecticut?

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 21:26

Here is another record to add to your file :-)

Death of Jo and Jennie's child, Ambrose, age 10 in 1911 :(

Name: Ambrose Rich
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 06 Nov 1911
Death Place: Duluth, St. Louis, Minnesota
Age: 10
Birth Date: 1901
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Joe Rich
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Jennie Carlo
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02105-4
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2138942
Reference Number: 23208

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 21:49

My guess is that Joseph traveled back to Italy about 1888 (many of the immigrants came here to work and go back to Italy - not to stay here), and then married Giovannina in 1888 or early 1889. I'll look for a manifest for 1888-1891...

Here is a Minnesota Census listing from 1905 - Joe, wife, children and mother-in-law

Name: Joseph Rich
Event: Census
Event Date: 1905
Event Place: Duluth, Ward Number: 05, St Louis, Minnesota
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1863
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Page: 175
Line Number: 767
Film Number: 928816
Digital Folder Number: 004520311
Image Number: 00249

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 21:52

1920 Census...

Name: Joseph Rich
[Joseph Peick]
Age: 59
[53]
Birth Year: abt 1861
[abt 1867]
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Duluth, St Louis, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1886
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Giovannina Rich
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Rich 59
[53]
Giovannina Rich 52
Anthony Rich 21
Nona Rich 20

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Looks like Joe Rich died two years after the above census :-(
From Minnesota Death Index
Name: Joseph Rich
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 09 Jul 1922
Death Place: Duluth, St. Louis, Minnesota
Age: 58
Birth Date: 1864
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Jennie
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02475-3
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2218083
Reference Number: CN 24820

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 22:14

1910 United States Federal Census
Their son, Ambrose, died the following year...
Giovannina's mother, Antonia, is not listed and probably died between 1905 and 1910 since she appears on the 1905 census of Minnesota.
On this census Jennie indicates that she has had 5 children and all are living.

Name: Jennie Rich
Age in 1910: 42
Birth Year: 1868
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Duluth Ward 5, Saint Louis, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph Rich
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Rich 46
Jennie Rich 42
Frank Rich 20
Tony Rich 12
Nora Rich 10
Ambrose Rich 8
John Rich 6

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 22:20

Looks like Joe Rich may have applied for citizenship in Minnesota...
Found this reference information... You might want to contact the county to see if you can identify the correct person, and get a copy of his papers.

Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957

Name: Joseph Rich
County: Duluth
Reel: 26
Code: 64
Volume: 32
Page: 243

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Name: Joseph (Jos) Rich
County: Duluth
Reel: 22
Code: 56
Volume: 24
Page: 251

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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 22:50

I did some searching on the Castle Garden Website and found an arrival notation (no manifests here) for a Giuseppe Ricci in 1885 - BUT can't say this is the ONE...
Age is about right... he lists his occupation as a farmer (not uncommon)... Country of birth is Italy, destination is United States...
http://castlegarden.org/quick_search_de ... d=10732710

Same year (1886) but different ship, port and date for a Michele Camarano
http://castlegarden.org/quick_search_de ... id=9374634
These two ports are on opposite ends of France :?


There are several trips by passengers named GIUSEPPE RICCI in 1890-91...
Ages help, but so many of the records have Giuseppe/Joe's age in a wide range :?
If the 1920 Census is correct, he was born in 1861 - If the death record is correct, he was born in 1864...
Here are the listings of arrivals by passengers named GIUSEPPE RICCI
http://castlegarden.org/search_02.php?a ... tartpage=1

Also found this ship manifest - - arrival NY April 12, 1890 on the Burgundia
Giuseppe Ricci, age 28, (line 80)
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Re: Joseph "Rich" (Ricci?)

Postby Tessa78 » 08 Mar 2012, 23:09

You could also try writing directly to the Comune of Sassano, to request Giuseppe Ricci's birth record...
Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Via Croce
84038 Sassano (SA)
ITALY


Make your request in Italian and enclose an UNSTAMPED self-addressed envelope. Do not send money unless/until you are asked.

Help with letters of request in Italian
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... talrecords
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

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