Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

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Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby jdbaxter » 11 Apr 2012, 20:23

My great grandfather, according to Ancestry.com was born in Domodossola, Novara, Italy. His full name was John Defendente Pioda. He married a Selika Muegge. He immigrated to the U.S. around about 1870. I am trying to locate the names of his father and any siblings he might of had that stayed in Italy or came to the U.S. Would the best bet be to see if I could get his berth certificate from Italy? How difficult is it to do this?
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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 12 Apr 2012, 16:58

Here is the address:

Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Repubblica dell'Ossola,1
28845 Domodossola (VB)
ITALY


Be sure to make your request in Italian.
Help with letters...
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http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Here is the town's website
http://www.comune.domodossola.vb.it/

And an email address to FOLLOW-UP your letter of request.
demografici@comune.domodossola.vb.it


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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby uantiti » 13 Apr 2012, 12:12

Hi,
just few things. If your ancestor immigrated to US in 1870 can we assume he was about 15-20 years old? This means he was born around 1850-1855 or even before if older than 20. Town Halls in Norther Italy started to keep birth records in 1866 (after Unification of Italy). Before 1866, births, deaths and marriages were recorded by parishes. So you can make your request writing to the address that Tessa posted for Domodossola Town Hall but I would suggest that you write to the parish too. Here is the name of the priest and the address:

Reverendo Don Renzo Cozzi
Parrocchia Ss. Gervasio e Protasio
Via Mons. Pellanda, 6
28845 Domodossola (VB)
Italy


Start your letter with:

Reverendo Padre,

.........


Domodossola was in the past in the province of Novara but is now in the province of Verbano-Cusio-Ossola (often shortened as VB). About your ancestor's first name, John is not an Italian name, I assume it's the translation of Giovanni. So ask for Giovanni Defendente Pioda. It might look obvious but you never know.

Good luck!!

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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby adelfio » 13 Apr 2012, 15:19

uantiti wrote:Hi,
just few things. If your ancestor immigrated to US in 1870 can we assume he was about 15-20 years old? This means he was born around 1850-1855 or even before if older than 20. Town Halls in Norther Italy started to keep birth records in 1866 (after Unification of Italy). Before 1866, births, deaths and marriages were recorded by parishes. So you can make your request writing to the address that Tessa posted for Domodossola Town Hall but I would suggest that you write to the parish too. Here is the name of the priest and the address:

Reverendo Don Renzo Cozzi
Parrocchia Ss. Gervasio e Protasio
Via Mons. Pellanda, 6
28845 Domodossola (VB)
Italy


Start your letter with:

Reverendo Padre,

.........


Domodossola was in the past in the province of Novara but is now in the province of Verbano-Cusio-Ossola (often shortened as VB). About your ancestor's first name, John is not an Italian name, I assume it's the translation of Giovanni. So ask for Giovanni Defendente Pioda. It might look obvious but you never know.

Good luck!!

Ada

Ada is right on about the civil records. Church would be your best bet.
Letter for you for baptism record

Parrocchia Ss. Gervasio e Protasio

Reverendo Padre,
Mi chiamo YOUR NAME. Sto facendo una ricerca sui miei antenati e ho bisogno delle informazioni dai vostri registri.
Ho ricercato le informazioni presso l'ufficio dello stato civile, ma mi hanno detto di rivolgermi a Lei per i dati prima del 1866
I miei antenati provennero da Domodossola,Novara. Vorrei sapere di più di loro.
Potreste cercare l’atto di battesimo di questa persona nei vostri registri dal 1839 fino al 1844?
L’individuo seguente è il mio antenato. Quanto segue è tutto ciò che so di questa persona: Giovanni Defendente Pioda
Data di nascita: 1839 fino al 1844
Luogo di nascita: Domodossola,Novara
Nome e cognome del padre: incerto
Nome e cognome della madre: incerto
Data d’emigrazione: 1870
Se non avete i registri corrispondenti, potete fornire l’indirizzo dell’archivio dove in cui i registri possano essere trovati?
Vi prego di farmi sapere il costo del vostro aiuto e come posso effettuare il pagamento.
Vi ringrazio in anticipo per il vostro gentilezza e premura.
Distinti saluti
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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby uantiti » 13 Apr 2012, 17:59

Thank you Marty, I was in a hurry this morning and didn't have time to write a form letter.

I don't have an Ancestry subscription but tried to find something on John D Pioda in US and this is the result:

John D. Pioda married Selika Muegge on 15 March 1893, in Fulton, Georgia;

A transcription of a 1910 Census from Family Search website
name: John D Pioda
birthplace: Italy
relationship to head of household: Self
residence: Atlanta Ward 3, Fulton, Georgia
marital status: Married
race : White
gender: Male
immigration year: 1870
father's birthplace: Italy
mother's birthplace: Italy
family number: 220
page number: 10
Household Gender Age
John D Pioda M 68y
spouse Selika Pioda F 38y
child L John Pioda M 16y
child Elsie O Pioda F 9y

and a 1920 Census

name: John D Pioda
residence: , Fulton, Georgia
estimated birth year: 1850
age: 70
birthplace: Italy
relationship to head of household: Self
gender: Male
race: White
marital status: Married
father's birthplace: Italy
mother's birthplace: Italy
film number: 1820251
digital folder number: 4300109
image number: 01067
sheet number: 5
Household Gender Age
John D Pioda M 70y
spouse S?Lika Pioda F 48y
child L John Pioda M 25y
child Elsie Pioda F 19y
Eugenie Muegge F 70y

Eugenie Muegge, listed in the above 1920 census, is Selika's mother and was widowed. She was Italian born to Italian father and German mother.

In case you are interested, Selika Muegge Pioda (originally Mügge, when "ü" cannot be used it's substituted with "ue" in German, so surname in US might be Muegge or Mugge) was born in New York about 1872. Selika's father John Muegge/Mugge was born in Germany.
Among marriages in New York I found a John Muegge who married Eugenia Giacomini on 22 March 1868. John Muegge/Mugge was widowed (or divorced) and already had 3 children when married Eugenia.

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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Apr 2012, 18:46

Here is the image for the 1920 Census that Ada posted for you above :-)

It appears that children were born in Pennsylvania (L John) and Georgia (Elise).
John lists his immigration as 1868, and naturalization as 1873...

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And for the 1910 Census...

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POSSIBLE arrival/trip of Eugenie Muegge in 1885...
Madame Eugenie Muegge, age 39, place of origin Piedmonte, Italy
Traveling with child, Mademoiselle Irma Muegge...
Sailing from Bordeaux, France, arriving NY 14 Oct 1885, on Chateau Margaux

Lines 21 and 22
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Here is the 1880 US Census for Selica/Selika Muegge/Mugge and her family living in New York City...
They are living at 302 East 11th Street in New York.
Selica's father is a silversmith, born in Hanover.
Mother, Eugenie, born in Italy.
Children all born in New York. However, the only children born to Eugenie are the last two daughters.
Living with them are two servants who were born in Hanover.

1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Selica Mugge
Age: 8
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John H. Mugge
Father's Birthplace: Hanover
Mother's Name: Eugenia Mugge
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At School
Household Members:
Name Age
John H. Mugge 52
Eugenia Mugge 38
John H. Mugge 24
Emma Mugge 23
Alfred Mugge 17
Selica Mugge 8
Elsa Mugge 4
Irma Mugge 2m
Anne Kramer 20 (domestic servant)
Adam Nilest 28 (domestic servant)

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Re: Pioda family from Domodossola, Novara, Italy

Postby jdbaxter » 08 Jul 2012, 16:22

Thank you so much for all the help from everybody. I will start sorting through all of this. Thanks again!
Vi ringrazio tanto per tutto l'aiuto di tutti. Vorrei iniziare la cernita attraverso tutto questo. Grazie ancora!


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