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how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 11 Apr 2012, 23:19

I forgot to add the dates-

Battista Pellico, born March 25, 1878 to Pietro Pellico and Anna Maria
possibly in Potenza, Avigliano, or Avigliana

Carmella Pellico
born to Antoni Christiano and Margaret Tomasoello
August 27, 1883
possibly in Bari, Calscibetta, or Caltansett?

How and to which (town hall, church) can I ask if they have birth certificates. How can I find a marriage certificate if I don't know the town?

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby Paolo47 » 12 Apr 2012, 12:18

Hello, :D
If this ship manifest is your Battista, looks like he is from Baragiano, Potenza.

First Name: Giov. Battisto
Last Name: Pellico
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Baraggiano
Date of Arrival: Apr 20, 1907
Age at Arrival: 29y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Moltke
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0002
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The Family History Center has many civil records for this comune on film to rent.
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Carmela might be from Caltanissetta.

First Name: Camela
Last Name: Pellico
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Calsocabeth
Date of Arrival: Dec 19, 1908
Age at Arrival: 23y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Ancona
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number:

Here is a link to the comune..
http://www.comuni-italiani.it/085/004/index.html
And the Family History Center has the civil records.
http://tinyurl.com/726n7pk

You may need to do some more research on Carmela :D

Good luck,
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 12 Apr 2012, 14:20

POSSIBLE BIRTHRECORD Potenza > Avigliano > Atti di Nascita > 1878
1878 March 27th Giambattista Pellico son of Silvio Pellico age 30 farmer and Anna Maria Gruosso
side note says June 10th married married Carmela Cristiano in Baragiano
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 12 Apr 2012, 14:29

Marriage record Potenza > Baragiano > Atti di Matrimonio > 1900
1900 June 10th marriage of Giambattista Pellico age 22 farmer born in and residing in Avigliano son of Silvio Pellico and deceased Anna Maria Gruosso married to Carmela Cristiano age 18 born in Bella residing in Baragiano daughter of Vito Antonio Cristiano and deceased Rita Tomasulo
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 12 Apr 2012, 14:58

Marriage record Potenza > Avigliano > Atti di Matrimonio > 1871 >
1871 Silvio Pellico age 23 son of Giambattista Pellico and Cresenzia Sabia married to Anna Maria Gruosso age 20 parents unknown (genitori ignoti)
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 12 Apr 2012, 18:26

Potenza > Baragiano > Atti di Nascita > 1901
In the year 1901 Nov 16 in the town of Baragiano
Giambattista Pellico age 24 and Carmela Cristiano age 20 gave birth to a male child named Pietro Pellico
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 13 Apr 2012, 15:42

Potenza > Baragiano > Atti Di Morte > 1901
1901 Dec 22nd death of Pietro Pellico age 1month 6 days son of Giambattista Pellico and Carmela Cristiano residing in Baragiano
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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 27 Apr 2012, 12:15

Dear Paul and Marty,

Thank you so much for your help- it's both useful and fascinating! :D I saw the ship manifest, but didn't understand to read Baragiano in Potenza . . . I guess it makes sense that Battista (or Giov. Battista) was really Giambattista.

Marty, thank you for finding the certificates. These do seem to be the ones I'm looking for, as the names and dates are close. Now we've got the images of Giambattista's birth cert and his marriage to Carmela. Carmela looks to be Carmela Cristiano born in Bella, Potenza to Vito Antonio Cristiano and Cristiano Rita Tomasulo, on Aug 27 1883 (we thought) or 1882, if she was 18 in 1900. Do I need to find more on her first before trying the Commune?

Should I mail each commune (or email): Bella, Avigliano, and Baragiano with the request letters in Italian that Marty gave in another thread? Is it necessary to find and add a printed microfiche record from the Family History (I guess using the certificate info below that Marty found)? And state I'm looking for certificate copies to use for dual citizenship?

For the commune info and addresses I found: Bella's site: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/076/012/ and http://www.comune.bella.pz.it/. Comune Di Bella, Corso Italia, 1, 85051 Bella Potenza, Italy
Baragiano: http://www.comune.baragiano.pz.it/barag ... l/home.jsp
Comune di Baragiano‎, Corso Garibaldi, 18 85050 Baragiano, Italy
Avigliano: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/076/007/ and http://www.comune.avigliano.pz.it/
Comune Di Avigliano, Corso Emanuele Gianturco, 42, 85021 Avigliano Potenza, Italy

Thank you! :!:

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 27 Apr 2012, 12:17

Oh- and is emailing/ or mailing enough, or would going in person to Potenza ever be necessary?

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 27 Apr 2012, 13:25

I would send a copy of the actual record you found to show them you what your looking for and tell them you need a birth extract or marriage extract for Italian citzenship of the records you have enclosed
estratto per riassunto dell’anno di nascita for birth or estratto dell’atto di matrimonio for marriage
What way do you qualify for dual citzenship?


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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 30 Apr 2012, 01:40

I should qualify by my great-grandfather who became naturalized after my grandfather was born in America.

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 03 May 2012, 00:57

Hello,

I will then locate the Family History films to rent them at a location near me to print. I think I found the right ones to order for GBP's birth (1878) and marriage to CP (1900), but nothing for Carmela's birth, no Bella record after 1860.

For Carmela's birth, is it worth my sending the letter request with all of the info I have, without a record copy? Or should I try looking for more records, maybe something from Baragiano since that is where they lived and met?

Do these look like the correct films to order for the Avigliano birth and Baragiano marriage:

GBP birth - Registri dello stato civile di Avigliano (Potenza), 1809-1910
--Nascite 1867-1883 - Film

GBP and CP marriage -Registri dello stato civile di Avigliano (Potenza), 1809-1910
-Pubblicazioni 1900-1907 Matrimoni 1868-1910 - Film

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 03 May 2012, 01:20

You have the marriage and birth record from ancestry.com for 1878 March 27th Giambattista Pellico and the marriage 1900 June 10th to Carmela Cristiano you can send those records that will be enough
You can send one letter to Avigliano with the copy of his birth and the marriage record to Bella cause it shows Carmela was born in Bella asking for there birth extracts for citzenship
IF you need a hand with the letters let me know

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby pellmell » 04 May 2012, 03:22

I thought the jpgs are not big enough to print to be legible, and on Ancestry, I can't find the Italian documents.

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Re: how to find certificates if unsure of town

Postby adelfio » 04 May 2012, 04:02

Send me your email in a private message

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