Hello Joy, welcome to the forum! Do you have your family's US records? (census, military, vital records, immigration, naturalization, etc) If you're missing any US records we would be happy to help you look. If you're only interested in records from Palermo, you'll need to know if they were born in the comune of Palermo or somewhere in the province of Palermo. If you know the comune we can help to direct you where to look next in Italian records. Thank you, Valarie
joyesler wrote:... Salvatore / Sal Todaro born 1915 in Palermo, Sicily; died 1992 in Florida; my grandfather's brother
Placido Todaro born 1989 (1898) in Palermo, Sicily; died 1971 in Florida; my grandfather's brother ...
Could Salvatore have been born in 1905, died 1982?
arrival 22 Sep 1910 SS Athinai Palermo to New York lines 14-17 Maria Magliano 46, abt 1864 - last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo - leaving her brother in Italy - joining husband Francesco Todaro in NY Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899 Giovanni Todaro 8, abt 1902 (ancestry transcribed as Cadaro) Salvatore Todaro 4, abt 1906
arrival 12 Jul 1909 SS Moltke Naples to New York lines 3-4 Francesco Todaro 49, abt 1860 - last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo - leaving wife Maria in Ficarazzi - in NY in 1907 - joining son-in-law Domenico Pace in NY - born in Bagheria, Palermo daughter Angela Todaro 16, abt 1893 - single - joining brother-in-law - born in Bagheria, Palermo
Hi Valerie, Thank you for the warm welcome and such helpful information!
Unfortunately, my family does not appear to have any of my family's US records. Additionally, the information related to where in Palermo they were born was not passed down through the generations. Therefore, I am starting from scratch. I would love help finding these documents and information to learn more about my family and to determine if I meet the requirements for dual citizenship.
It appears that these may be the correct manifests. I have questions into my Pace cousin to determine if this was correct related to Francesco coming over and meeting up with Domenico. I also have questions into my Todaro cousin who is Salvatore's granddaughter to determine the correctness of his dates of birth and death. I also did not know about my great aunt Angela. Therefore, I am trying to confirm this with my cousins.
Thank you again for your help! It is greatly appreciated! Joy
Joy, thank you for the quick response and additional information. We should be able to find the 1920 and 1930 census. Here are some links to a terrific site for ordering New York (City) records Valarie
If you haven’t used these, they may help you locate New York City records:
Naturalization For dual citizenship you'll need naturalization information for both your grandfather and your great grandfather. Clues can be found on their census records as to whether or not they became US citizens.
Naturalization Information can also be searched at the Steve Morse and the Italian Genealogical Group (IGG) sites for free
Home in 1920: 1952 Second Ave, rents Manhattan Assembly District 18, New York, New York
Frank Todaro 62, abt 1858 IT - immig 1905, Pa (filed 1st papers for naturalization) - retail merchant, produce, working on own account Mary Todaro 58, abt 1862 IT - immig 1908, Al Joseph Todaro 20, abt 1900 IT - immig 1908, Al - tailor, clothing house John Todaro 18, abt 1902 IT - immig 1908, Al - finisher, clothing house Salvatore Todaro 14, abt 1906 IT - immig 1908, Al
Home in 1930: 2114 Lafontaine Ave, owns $11,500 Bronx, Bronx, New York
Frank Todaro 68, abt 1862 IT - married age 22 - immig 1908, Na (naturalized citizen) Mary Todaro 65, abt 1865 IT - immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen) John Todaro 27, abt 1903 IT - immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen) - salesman, radio's(?) Salvatore Todaro 24, abt 1906 IT - immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen) cutter, (?) garments factory
son Placido and his family living at the same address
arrival 22 Sep 1910 SS Athinai Palermo to New York lines 14-17 Maria Magliano (Magliocco?*) 46, abt 1864 - last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo - leaving her brother in Italy - joining husband Francesco Todaro in NY Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899 Giovanni Todaro 8, abt 1902 (ancestry transcribed as Cadaro) Salvatore Todaro 4, abt 1906
*Correction: Maria's surname may have been Magliocco, from a July 1910 manifest where she and her sons were lined-off (did not sail) and from her brother's name on the Sep 1910 manifest on page 1
arrival 5 Jul 1905 SS Martha Washington Palermo to New York lines 26-19 Maria Magliocco 47, abt 1863 - last residence Ficarazzi, Palermo - leaving her sister Rosaria in Ficarazzi - joining husband Francesco Todaro at 302 So. 105th Street, NY - born in Ficarazzi, Palermo Placido Todaro 11, abt 1899 - born in Ficarazzi, Palermo Giovanni Todaro 9, abt 1901 - born in Ficarazzi, Palermo Salvatore Todaro 5, abt 1905 - born in Ficarazzi, Palermo
This is amazing information, Valerie. You are such a tremendous help.
My Pace cousin was unable to provide any information regarding Domenico and Francesco. Therefore, I have contacted another Pace cousin to see if they can help.
I understand that the census is only as good as the individual providing the information and the individual recording that information. Yet, if it turns out that my great grandfather and grandfather became naturalized citizens before my grandfather had any children, does that hurt my eligibility for dual citizenship? If it does, then does it help that my great grandmother may not have become a naturalized citizen?
Hey Joy! I'm glad we could find some records for you. I'm not an expert on dual citizenship. Perhaps you could start another post with your question? It may get lost in this post Posting in this section of the forum might help: "Emigration, Immigration, Naturalization and Italian citizenship" emigration.html Also, since you would be applying at the Consulate where you live, you may want to see if they have a website with information. Valarie
Hi Valarie, I found out the most interesting information from my Pace cousin.
There was an eldest daughter Rosanna Todaro of Francesco and Maria who was married to Domenico Pace. Domenico and Rosanna are her grandparents. Therefore, this is my correct family information! And this is information that both my cousin and I were not aware of. Thank you so much!