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Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 25 Jun 2012, 11:18

I have not found any connection yet to the family of Pietro Sapienza from Cacamo, Palermo, Italy. Please help! thank you.

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Jun 2012, 14:40

Have you used the resources that "vj" provided in this 2009 thread?

topic13580.html

And...did you make the trip in 2010?

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 25 Jun 2012, 16:04

Unable to travel to Italy in 2010. We are doing it in 2014. Thank you.

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby adelfio » 25 Jun 2012, 16:20

Hi there is records online for Cacamo, Palermo familysearch.org
I think Pietro was born later this is the index of births of Cacamo it has:
Filippo Sapienza born 1890 index #52
Liberio Giuseppe Sapienza born 1886 index #219
Salvatore Sapienza born 1895 index #95
Italy, Palermo, Termini I...on (Tribunale), 1862-1910
Caccamo
Indici decennali (nati) 1866-1895
Image pg 80 of 87

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 26 Jun 2012, 02:19

Thank you, Marty. I really, really appreciate this information. I have been away and have lost track of my login name and password here at Italian Genealogy- but got track of my my old book and finally was able to login here last night. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby adelfio » 26 Jun 2012, 15:37

I see that Peter Sapienza children were born in Connecticut have you gotten in info on his marriage was he married in Bridgeport.
How about his death record?


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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 26 Jun 2012, 19:28

I have Peter's info on his kids' names and date he passed away, in Nevada in 1976 thru the 1930 census. However, I got no info on the marriage certificate. Any suggestions? Thanks again, Marty.

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby Tessa78 » 26 Jun 2012, 22:33

pepperoncini wrote:I have Peter's info on his kids' names and date he passed away, in Nevada in 1976 thru the 1930 census. However, I got no info on the marriage certificate. Any suggestions? Thanks again, Marty.


Just to get clarification about Peter's death date and place. It would appear from the information you posted below that Peter died in New York in 1970, and Adelina died in Nevada in 1976... Correct?

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You posted this information in 2009
My husband's grandfather's information is as follows:

NAME: PIETRO SAPIENZA
Adapted name in the USA: PETER SAPIENZA
Born: May 25, 1895
Died: February 1970
Last Residence: 11203 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
SPOUSE: ADELINA FALZONE SAPIENZA
Nicknames: LENA and ELLEN
Born: May 18, 1897
Died: April 1976
Last Residence: 89431 Sparks, Washoe, Nevada, USA

PIETRO and LENA's children were:
1. Nardina (Lee & Leonarda)
2. Salvatrese (Sally)
3. Genevieve (Geri)

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby Tessa78 » 26 Jun 2012, 23:12

On the 1930 Census you referenced (living in Brookly, NY), Peter/Pietro was a shoemaker, and he lists his immigration as about 1913. He also lists his age at first marriage as 24. So I would guess he and Adelina were married in the US.

Here is a POSSIBLE arrival manifest for Pietro in 1914.
He is 20 (which would put his birth about 1894) and a shoemaker (laborer is crossed out and shoemaker is written above)
He lists his last residence as Collesano, Italy (also in Palermo Province and about 25 miles from Caccamo)
He leaves is father Giorgio Sapienza in Collesano.
His destination is 61 Houston St., NYC, to his brother Carlo Sapienza.
He is listed as 5'5", with a scar on his forehead.

Does any of this sound familiar?

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Found an additional manifest for the above Pietro Sapienza, arriving in 1910 with his father, Giorgio Sapienza. Pietro is age 16, and Giorgio is age 42. They are both shoemakers from Collesano. Leaving wife/mother Arcangela in Collesano. Going to Giorgio's brother Maria/o Sapienza in NY. (can't read the address. Maybe we can find him in the census?)

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 27 Jun 2012, 03:13

Thank you, Tessa. This seems to fit in the file of PIETRO:

Here is a POSSIBLE arrival manifest for Pietro in 1914.

He is 20 (which would put his birth about 1894) and a shoemaker (laborer is crossed out and shoemaker is written above) He lists his last residence as Collesano, Italy (also in Palermo Province and about 25 miles from Caccamo) He leaves is father Giorgio Sapienza in Collesano. His destination is 61 Houston St., NYC, to his brother Carlo Sapienza. He is listed as 5'5", with a scar on his forehead.

Does any of this sound familiar?

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YES.
In the embarkation card, the province noted was Caccamo and not Collesano so I never referred to it prior to discovering this now.

I found his registration card with that description of having a "scar on right eye." This is as of APRIL 27, 1942.

This is definitely the PIETRO SAPIENZA I am searching for because the given address in 1942 is the address where my departed mother-in-law had lived- at 512 E 54th St., Brooklyn, NY. My husband remembered his visitation there when he was about 12 or 14.
I have copies of her love letters mailed in this address.

I hope I'd get to unravel more information on the Sapienzas in Sicily. We hope to make a connection with his descendants prior to traveling there.

Thank you again.

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby Tessa78 » 27 Jun 2012, 04:40

pepperoncini wrote:
I hope I'd get to unravel more information on the Sapienzas in Sicily. We hope to make a connection with his descendants prior to traveling there.

Thank you again.


There are currently 7 listings for SAPIENZA in Collesano :-D
http://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs= ... o+%28PA%29

You may want to write to these potential relatives...
Help with letters:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... etter.html

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby adelfio » 27 Jun 2012, 05:03

I looked through Collesano birth records for Pietro Sapienza and did come up with this birth record
Index #67
1890 March 11th birth of Pietro Sapienza son of Giorgio Sapienza age 26 and Arcangela Musciotto born in Collesano
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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby Tessa78 » 27 Jun 2012, 05:24

Here is the birth record for the above Pietro Sapienza (the one on the ship manifest)

Record #204
In Collesano...
Date recorded: 7 December 1893
Date of birth: 4 December 1893
Father: Giorgio Sapienza, 26, shoemaker
Mother: Arcangela Musciotto, his wife
Child was given the name: Pietro

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby pepperoncini » 27 Jun 2012, 08:01

EVerything seems to be fitting right for the profile of Pietro Sapienza, except that the birth date does not sync. I am basing it from the 1930 census that indicated it to be:

May 25, 1895.

But following the file in the birth record, this date (in red) is the precise one.

Distinguishing mark is similar : as in "scar on forehead" in the arrival manifest while written as " scar on right eye" as of April 1942 record..

Height of 5'6


Record #204
In Collesano...
Date recorded: 7 December 1893
Date of birth: 4 December 1893
Father: Giorgio Sapienza, 26, shoemaker
Mother: Arcangela Musciotto, his wife
Child was given the name: Pietro

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Re: Sapienza in Palermo

Postby adelfio » 27 Jun 2012, 13:57

Tessa nice job I would say that is your Pietro Sapienza
Census dates are not always right they have known to be off by years
The Pietro Sapienza I posted died at 6 months old as a baby the same year 1890 in Collesano had the same the parents Giorgio Sapienza and Arcangela Musciotto,
INDEX # 87
Italian naming patterns the just named the next male son in 1893 Pietro Sapienza so this was the first Pietro
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