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John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby jvderosa69 » 02 Jul 2012, 19:52

Hello Everyone,

I am a new member of this board/website, and wanted to enlist the assistance of the members.

I am a second generation Italian-American who is traveling to Italy in late September, and before leaving, I want to see if I can research my grandfather (John De Rosa) who was born in 1884 in Santa Maria Capua Vetere (he lived there for some period of time as well), so I can try to find out if I have any living relatives that I can visit on my trip, or if there are no such relatives, find the deceased ones in the local cemetery.

Can anyone give me guidance as to how to do this research? I've heard that since S.M.C.V. is one of the larger towns with a number of parishes, it is not easy for a novice such as myself to do this type of research.

Also, if you happen to know of someone who can do the research in S.M.C.V. for a fee, I'd be interested in speaking with him/her.

Any help you can give me on these matters would be greatly, greatly appreciate.

Thank you for your time.

Grazie mille,

John V De Rosa

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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby adelfio » 03 Jul 2012, 16:05

Welcome John to the IG website.
Do have his birth record? There are records for Santa Maria Capua Vetere Caserta on ancestry.com birth marriage and death.
Could have a possible address where he was born.
There are 24 De Rosa in the phone book in Santa Maria Capua Vetere
http://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?qs= ... pua+Vetere
If you dont have the birth record just leave the birthdate

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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby vj » 03 Jul 2012, 17:20

Hey John,
This may help if you'd like to write to the possible relatives that Marty :D located.
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Form Letter to a Possible Relative

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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby jvderosa69 » 04 Jul 2012, 00:51

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for your kind welcome and prompt response to my inquiries.

Marty, I found the correct birthdate for my grandfather, John De Rosa, aka Giovanni De Rosa: February 24, 1888, in Santa Maria Capua Vetere. Other than this, I have no information on him. I don't even know his parents' names, or where they lived. I do have some limited information on my grandmother, Clelia De Rosa (maiden name De Rubertis), however, she was from Naples, and did not marry my grandfather until they had both emigrated to the U.S.A. in the 1900's (interesting they arrived separately and years apart!).

Hopefully you can see what you can find with this birthdate. Anything would be great! VJ, thanks for the letter to the relatives. Once I find them, I will definitely use it.

Thanks again to all of you for your help. This is a great experience, thanks to thoughtful people such as yourselves. I appreciate it!

Look forward to hearing more...

John V. De Rosa
Sacramento, Californi

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Postby adelfio » 04 Jul 2012, 04:06

What record do you have to know his birthdate and birth location? What state did they settle in? Did he have any brothers and sisters that came over to the States?

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Postby justinfrombklyn » 04 Jul 2012, 06:27

hi john,

i found your family

here must be a sibling to your father or mother if john and clelia are your grandparents

they were from chicago, illinois?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1462519

that is a birth record for a martha lucille derosa born to john-born abt 1888 and clelia de rubertis-born abt 1899

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS2Y-YMK

that is the family in the 1930 census
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Postby justinfrombklyn » 04 Jul 2012, 06:33

found their marriage!!

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Vi ... =509243585

john derosa of kansas city, missouri age 30 and clelia derubertis-age 19 married on aug 5th 1918
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Postby justinfrombklyn » 04 Jul 2012, 06:41

possibly i believe this is clelia misspelled as teresa

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... 9&recoff=9

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passR ... 0430140020

Teresa De Robertis born in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putignano Putignano, bari, leaving father giuseppe age 18 going to oakland, ca to relative pietro l'abbate, 878 wood st? coming here in 1914 like the 1930 census says

i believe thats the correct spelling and where the family is from
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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby jvderosa69 » 10 Jul 2012, 02:37

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your replies.

Marty, I found a different (and now I believe correct) date of birth for my grandfather, Giovanni De Rosa (known as John De Rosa in the U.S.A.). It is May 24, 1888. I got this information from my grandfather's naturalization record from the FamilySearch.org website. Perhaps that will lead us to a birth record? His place of birth remains unchanged, Santa Maria Capua Vetere. That latter piece of information was provided to me by my uncles and aunts, so I don't have reason to doubt it at this point.

My grandfather married my grandmother, Clelia De Rosa (maiden name: Clelia Derubertis) in August 5, 1918 in Jackson, Missouri. I believe that my grandfather had a brother, Nicola De Rosa (aka Nicholas De Rosa), who also emigrated to the U.S.A., however I do not yet have specific information on this. My grandmother and grandfather seemed at one time to have lived in Jackson, Missouri, then went to Chicago, IL, and then finally to the Los Angeles, CA area.

Justin, thanks for your help. Yes, my grandparents were from Chicago, IL as noted above, and the birth record you found is for my now deceased aunt, Martha Lucille Derosa. The marriage record you found for my grandparents is also correct. As far as the Teresa De Robertis record you found, I think that is not applicable. My grandmother, Clelia Derubertis, was for sure from Naples, not Putignano. So I think that the Teresa De Robertis you found is not related to me.

I have some other information collected, but I am not sure what you might need to continue looking for me. If you let me know what else might be helpful, I'll get it to you if I have it in my file.

Thanks for all of your help.

Ciao,

John Vincent De Rosa
Sacramento, California

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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby adelfio » 10 Jul 2012, 14:28

John the records of Santa Maria Capua Vetere Caserta are not on Ancestry for 1888 that year is 1889 in there records. So your best bet is you would have to get the films from Family History Library
Morti, cittadinanze 1882 -- Nati, pubblicazioni, matrimoni, morti, cittadinanze 1883-1887 -- Nati 1888 / Film number #1802563 and search for his birth record
Do you have Giovanni's death record? That would have his parents names on it.

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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby oilman19 » 10 Jul 2012, 19:53

John,

I have that film at FHC. I should have that record for you by Saturday.
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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby jvderosa69 » 10 Jul 2012, 20:25

Marty,

I do not yet have the death record for my grandfather Giovanni De Rosa. He died in California in 1934, and the online death indices for California start at 1940, so I am having to get a copy via Vitalchek. You raise a great point regarding the years for S.M.C.V. records available on Ancestry.com. Jim (aka oilman19) is very generously going to go to the Family History Center to look at the film you identified. Hopefully that will do the trick.

Thanks Marty and Jim for your help. It seems the mystery is slowly being solved, thanks to you all.

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Postby justinfrombklyn » 12 Jul 2012, 15:18

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Vi ... 034803139- his ship manifest

he is going to a relative named pietro di caprio 102 sackett street in (red hook) brooklyn, ny

here is a child to a pietro di caprio in smvc and his wife is a de rosa, so i believe pietro was giovanni's uncle

http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view. ... sid=&gskw=



his index card for naturalization saying that he came on this date

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1838804

his ww1 draft card

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Vi ... d=23130098

still looking for his birth record in smcv
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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby suanj » 13 Jul 2012, 17:37

The brother of your Giovanni, as you said was Nicola De Rosa... it are a ship's manifest of 1908 ( no sailed), father Vincenzo De Rosa in Santa Maria Capua Vetere and joining at brother Giovanni in NY
First Name: Nicola
Last Name: De Rosa
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: S. Maria Capa, Caserta
Date of Arrival: Jan 25, 1908
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Mendoza
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0019

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 0054%2ETIF

second crossed trip:
First Name: Nicola
Last Name: de Rosa
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: S. Maria, Caserta, Italy
Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1908
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Luisiana
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0007


http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 0498%2ETIF
same infos...
when immigrated.. really I know not, but here the WWI draft registration card:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Nick Derosa
Name: Nick Derosa
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1890
Race: White

FHL Roll Number: 1493509
DraftBoard: 17
born in Santa Maria ( Capua Vetere)

the birth act #524:
DE ROSA Nicola born in Santa Maria Capua Vetere on 16 sep 1890 son of Vincenzo De Rosa age 24, carpenter and Carmela GUIDA

http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view. ... a.1890.176

so almost you know the parent's names..
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Re: John De Rosa - Santa Maria Capua Vetere

Postby oilman19 » 14 Jul 2012, 17:07

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Hi John,

Here is the image for your grandfather's birth act.
Giovanni Pietro Nicola was born in SMCV on 24 May 1888 to Vincenzo 26, a carpenter, and Carmelo Guida.

I will email the images to you.
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