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birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby roobyred » 30 Aug 2012, 18:51

I've been unable to locate any information on Marietta Morreale b. Aug 13, 1912 to Costantino Morreale & Rosa Sferrazza. According to the Situazione Storica Di Famiglia that I received from Montedoro, Marietta was born in the USA. Can't find my grandparents on a 1900 or 1910 federal census but was able to find them in PA 1920 census and NY 1930 census.

Does anyone have any suggestions where I may go from here?
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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby vj » 30 Aug 2012, 19:06

We'll be happy to help you look for the 1900 & 1910 census
Thought this 1916 Naturalization record may have belonged to your family, but I don't see Marietta listed with the children.
Thanks, Valarie
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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby roobyred » 30 Aug 2012, 19:20

Valerie, Yes this is my grandfathers record. She must have died before he applied for naturalization. She was born after Giulio, Gaetano and Vincenzo.
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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby vj » 30 Aug 2012, 20:34

Roberta
You're right they're difficult to find
Not having any luck: tried NY for 1900, 1905 and 1910 on ancestry and FamilySearch
Have you found either of Costantino's brothers on any of those census records?
(Michele abt 1868, Ludovico abt 1870)
Perhaps Costantino was living nearby?
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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Aug 2012, 22:35

roobyred wrote:I've been unable to locate any information on Marietta Morreale b. Aug 13, 1912 to Costantino Morreale & Rosa Sferrazza. According to the Situazione Storica Di Famiglia that I received from Montedoro, Marietta was born in the USA. Can't find my grandparents on a 1900 or 1910 federal census but was able to find them in PA 1920 census and NY 1930 census.

Does anyone have any suggestions where I may go from here?


Is it possible that the family returned to Italy for Marietta's birth, OR after her death? OR is it possible Marietta died in Italy?
I found a ship manifest for July 1913 for Costantino Morreale.
He was leaving his wife Rosa Sferrazza in Montedoro, and he was joining his brother Michele Morreale at 2303 Highes Ave., NY

I can't seem to "grab" the image from ellisisland.org
Here is the link on familysearch.org

Given Name: Costantino
Surname: Morreale
Last Place of Residence: Montedaro, Sicily
Date of Arrival: 01 Jul 1913
Age at Arrival: 39y
Ethnicity: Italy, Italyan South
Port of Departure: Palermo
Port of Arrival: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: M
US Citizen:
Ship of Travel: San Giorgio
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JN1L-12S

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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Aug 2012, 22:51

roobyred wrote:Valerie, Yes this is my grandfathers record. She must have died before he applied for naturalization. She was born after Giulio, Gaetano and Vincenzo.
Roberta


Roberta, are you firm about her being born after some of her brothers?
Costantino indicates on his naturalization record that his first arrival was 1899...
It appears from the manifest (I can't grab that image...) that Rosa arrived with him in November 1899.

Given Name: Costantino
Surname: Morreale
Last Place of Residence: Montedoro
Date of Arrival: 16 Nov 1899
Age at Arrival: 25y
Ethnicity: Italian
Port of Departure: Genova
Port of Arrival: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: M
US Citizen:
Ship of Travel: Tartar Prince

These listings come from NYC birth index... may or may not be your relatives...

Morreale Gaetano Apr 7 1908 #2689 Bronx (this agrees with the naturalization record...

[b]Morreale Marietta Mar 23 1900 #11952 Manhattan

This one may be a long-shot :-) but a POSSIBILITY :-)

Costantino and Rosa arrive 1899 -
POSSIBLE birth of Marietta in 1900
The family returns to Italy BEFORE 1905 - then Giulio born there in 1905
The family returns to US BEFORE 1908 - Gaetano born NY in 1908
The family returns AGAIN to Italy AFTER March 1910 - Rosa is in Montedoro in 1913 when Costantino travels back to US...
Rosa and children return BEFORE the 1915 birth of Giuseppe in Pennsylvania.

May explain why Valarie has not been able to locate them in some censuses! :?

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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Aug 2012, 23:38

Found a return trip for Rosa Sferrazza and her children in 1913...

going to husband Costantino, Hughes Av., NY
Leaving father Nicola Sferrazza in Montedoro...

CHILDREN:
Giulio, 8, born Italy
Gaetano, 5, Claims US born
Salvatore, 3, Claims US born (could this be the child who was born after Gaetano?) This child is also NOT listed on the Naturalization papers...

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Re: birth/death info for Marietta Morreale

Postby roobyred » 02 Sep 2012, 19:48

Thank you one and all for all your help. You are truly amazing group of people.
I will continue my quest to get to the bottom of all this genealogy regarding Marietta and some uncles that were never spoken about.
Enjoy your labor day weekend!
Best Regards,
Roberta :D
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