Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Puglia

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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby lloiaco » 14 Sep 2012, 18:03

Hi Valarie,

Wow! This information is great and very interesting. Thanks for the link, I will definitely study up. I after viewing the June 1907 manifest I think I know why I never found in before....I was searching for Vincenzo Loiacono but he may be listed as "Vincenzo Son" in some databases...depending on who is transcribing I suppose.

In any case I think you are correct that the June 1907 manifest is correct (And Vincenzo named his first son Joseph. I actually did study up on Itatian naming conventions :) ). And the naturalization application you found would mean that in 1918 Vincenzo was living in Chicago, again on Ohio Street. I think that finding the 1920 US Census would really solidify Vincenzo's "US History". I will search for it, and I am guessing that once I determine the Ward/district that that area of Ohio Street was in during 1920 then finding an entry with even a bad transcription/handwriting will not be too difficult.

I also wonder what happened to his father...the WWI draft card you found had an Ohio Street address. So I am guessing that this is the correct Vincenzo. But the card does say that he is supporting a Father and Mother back in Italy. So I wonder if the father returned to Italy at some point.

This is really excellent, that you very much for your help. You have given much new/corrected infomation to go on and also I have learned much about doing this kind of research. It is clear to me that learning more on immigration, naturalization and the overall history of the US and Italy at the time would be very helpful. And also, I need to rely less on programs that automatically provide possible variations of names, poor transcriptions seem to rarely get picked up by these programs.

If I could bother you with one last question...
Can you provide me links to infomation on how I would research Vincenzo's parents which for the time being I will assume remained in Modugno Italy? I would very much like to know if I have family currently in/around Modugno, but I have no idea how to go about starting to look into the family tree in Italy.

Thanks again
Laura

p.s. No I am not worried about making mistakes; mistakes are learning experiences :wink: .
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 18:46

I was searching for Vincenzo Loiacono but he may be listed as "Vincenzo Son" in some databases...depending on who is transcribing I suppose


Sometimes looking for just a first name with an approximate birth date in a specific location will help with badly transcribed information. On ancestry you can even search using the first three or last three letters of a name with an asterisk ( *xyz or xyz*)
Sometimes including a spouse or siblings can narrow down search results.
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In any case I think you are correct that the June 1907 manifest is correct (And Vincenzo named his first son Joseph. I actually did study up on Itatian naming conventions ). And the naturalization application you found would mean that in 1918 Vincenzo was living in Chicago, again on Ohio Street. I think that finding the 1920 US Census would really solidify Vincenzo's "US History". I will search for it, and I am guessing that once I determine the Ward/district that that area of Ohio Street was in during 1920 then finding an entry with even a bad transcription/handwriting will not be too difficult.


Here is a link for finding ED's (enumeration districts) Finding 1920 is a two-step process. You'll need google maps to find cross streets. I tried this last night for your probable 1920 address of 1318 W Ohio and got frustrated. I wonder if you can search by Ward on ancestry? On both birth certificates the address is in Ward 17.

One-step pages (these are very handy)
http://www.stevemorse.org/
Scroll down to
1880-1940 Large-City ED Finder: Obtaining EDs for the 1880 to 1940 Census in One Step (Large Cities)
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I also wonder what happened to his father...the WWI draft card you found had an Ohio Street address. So I am guessing that this is the correct Vincenzo. But the card does say that he is supporting a Father and Mother back in Italy. So I wonder if the father returned to Italy at some point.


I agree, I think Giuseppe did return home. Good catch on the 1917 WWI Card.
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Can you provide me links to infomation on how I would research Vincenzo's parents which for the time being I will assume remained in Modugno Italy? I would very much like to know if I have family currently in/around Modugno, but I have no idea how to go about starting to look into the family tree in Italy.


Yes, in another post (it will be a long :wink: , hopefully complete one)
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No help, but nice to have if you don't already have a copy
Same address as daughter Mary in 1921

son Joseph Loiacono's Birth Certificate (rt side of image cut off)
from FamilySearch
http://imageshack.us/a/img109/5373/1922s.jpg

name: Joe Loiacano
birth date: 07 Aug 1922
birthplace: 1318 W Ohio Street, Chicago, Ward 17
gender: Male
father's name: Jim Loiacano
father's birthplace: Italy
father's age: 30 (abt 192)
mother's name: Antonietta
mother's birthplace: New O---
Children born alive and now living: 2
film number: 1379133
digital folder number: 4441005
image number: 01327
reference number: 34557
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby lloiaco » 14 Sep 2012, 19:01

Awesome! I never could find information on the first son. Thanks.
And thanks for the tip about the asterisks on ancestory, I did not know that.

Yes you can search by ward/district on Ancestory. I have done this, the problem I had was the street I was interested was on a boundary between 3 wards. So it took a while to track down as I did not know which ward the address was really in. But, when I finally found the address I was looking for there was no one listed there that matched the person I was looking for.
Anyway, in short, yes, it is doable. :)
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 19:05

If you've found all of your US records and want to try Italian records this may help.
Verifying information in the US helps to ensure you're researching the correct family in Italy.
With Italian naming traditions, it is possible to have cousins in the same comune with the same given name - being named after their paternal grandfathers.
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Your nearest Family History Center can order civil records for Modugno on microfilm.
The cost is about $7.50 mo @ (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Family History Library Catalog:
https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlc/

Film notes for Modugno:
https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fh ... C+Modugno+%%20%20&columns=*,0,0

Title: Registri dello stato civile, Modugno (Bari), 1809-1900

Authors: Modugno (Bari). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)

Subjects: Italy, Bari, Modugno - Civil registration

Notes: Microfilm dei registri originali nell'Archivio di Stato, Trani.
Births, marriages, banns, marriage documents, deaths, miscellaneous documents, citizenship records. The marriage memorandum contain the same type of information as the marriage banns. Includes death notices added to birth records. The supplemental records for 1866-1896 are all filmed together under: Bari (Provincia). Ufficio dello stato civile. The record no. (CCF no.) is 732518.
I memorandum matrimoniali contengono informazione simile a quella nei notificazioni matrimoniali.
I documenti degli allegati per gli anni 1866-1896 per la provincia di Bari sono filmati tutti insieme. Si trovano sotto: Bari (ProvinciaI). Ufficio dello stato civile. Il "record number" [CCF number] è 732518.
Cittadinanze filmati con: Mola (Bari). Ufficio dello stato civile e Montrone (Bari). Ufficio dello stato civile. Annotazioni di morte filmati con: Locoronto (Bari). Ufficio dello stato civile e Loseto (Bari). Ufficio dello stato civile.
Include indici parziali.
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And, just in case you aren’t familiar with the Family History Center & Italian records

FamilySearch Centers Home Page
Includes how to find your nearest local Family History Center
https://www.familysearch.org/locations

about Italian Records:
http://www.italygen.info/2010/09/italia ... ction.html

and Italian Records Extraction:
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/italian ... extraction
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And if you're interested, here are three terrific books:

Italian Genealogical Records
How to Use Italian Civil, Ecclesiastical, &
Other Records in Family History Research
By Tafford R Cole
google book link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_qgMM ... le&f=false

A Genealogist’s Guide to
Discovering Your Italian Ancestors
How to find and record your unique heritage
By Lynn Nelson
google book link (information only):
http://books.google.com/books?id=KMELAA ... CE8Q6AEwAQ

Finding Italian Roots
By John Philip Colletta, PhD
google book link:
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 19:08

lloiaco wrote:..

Yes you can search by ward/district on Ancestory. I have done this, the problem I had was the street I was interested was on a boundary between 3 wards. So it took a while to track down as I did not know which ward the address was really in. But, when I finally found the address I was looking for there was no one listed there that matched the person I was looking for.
Anyway, in short, yes, it is doable. :)


Laura,
Great! Thank you!
I hope it will be easier than by ED. I had the same problem with addresses across the street from each other :| .
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 19:12

You can also write to the comune for a record (not as much fun as finding it on microfilm)

Research in Modugno by writing to the comune:

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Or other helpful form letters:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html


Address:

Ufficio di Stato Civile
Comune di Modugno
Piazza del Popolo 16
70026 Modugno (BA)
ITALY


http://www.tuttitalia.it/puglia/45-modugno/
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Website for finding comune addresses:
http://www.nonsolocap.it/
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 19:16

This may help you locate family currently living in Modugno.

White pages:
http://www.paginebianche.it/index_en.html

(remember, in Italy women keep their maiden names)

Form Letter to a Possible Relative
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 20:08

Looks like Vincenzo Loiacono wouldn't be married on the 1920 census
I think I've found Antonietta Famiglia - on your other post
topic26395.html#p187100
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby lloiaco » 14 Sep 2012, 20:32

First, I located the 1355 and 1148 Ohio Street addresses in the 1920 census by figuring out the Ward and district... I used this site
http://www.alookatcook.com/1920/index.htm
to determine the ward and district.

There is no one close to having the name of Vincenzo Loiacono at these addresses.

However....if Vincenzo and Antoinette were married in 1920 outside of Cook County IL then he would not appear anywhere in a chicago census in 1920 posssibly.

I mentioned I could find no record of a marriage for Vincenzo and Antoinette in Chicago Cook IL. But I did find one in Lake County Indian in July 1920.
AND!!!!
I just found this on
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... al_Records

"Many eloping couples went to Crown Point, Lake County, Indiana to be married as there was no waiting period between the time of issuing a license and the performance of the marriage. Eloping couples from Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and Ohio were married in Crown Point, Indiana."

I think they did marry in indiana and this might explain why Vincenzo cant be located in any 1920 Chicago Census.

Whatcha think?

this is fun :D
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby vj » 14 Sep 2012, 20:50

Laura
Great find, especially with the awful transcription for Vincenzo!
I'd put money on it :wink:
The 1920 census I found for Antonietta is dated 7 Jan 1920, so the dates work.
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for everyone's reference Laura's find:
from FamilySearch
Indiana, Marriages, 1811-1959

groom: James Logano
bride: Antoinette Famiglio
date of license: 15 Jun 1920
county of license: Lake
date of marriage: 15 Jun 1920
place of marriage: , Lake, Indiana
record number: 53168
film number: 2414697
digital folder number: 4839151
image number: 00684
number of images: 1
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Re: Vincenzo Giacomo Loiacono b.1890 in Modugno, Bari, Pugli

Postby bware752 » 23 May 2013, 18:25

I have just located with birth record of Pietro Caputo born 1896 in Modugno, Bari, whose mother is Rosa Loiacono, born about 1876. Could she be the aunt of Vincenzo Giacomo Loiancono? Her husband, Carlo Caputo, and later their son, Peter, immigrated to Chicago between 1906 and 1912. At various times the Caputo family lived on Ohio street, although not in the same block mentioned for the Loiacono family.

Any thoughts about a connection? :)
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