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Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 13 Sep 2012, 15:37

Hi everyone,

I am hoping someone can help me locate records for my husband's family.

I recently received a copy of a marriage certificate from New Jersey archives.

Paul Schillaci (22) from Garfield, NJ, born in Italy
Lena Torento (18) from Garfield, NJ, born in Italy (parents: Giovanni Torento, Giuseppa Germanca).

Now, I know for a fact that Lena was much younger, she was in fact about 14 or 15 when this marriage took place.
I can't, however, find ANY record of Lena and her family...not in NJ, not anywhere.

I also don't think that GERMANCA is the mother's maiden name, I think it might be GIAMMANCA.

Can someone help me find a Census or ship manifest for Lena (possibly Lilly) and her family?

Thank you so much!
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby Michael31 » 13 Sep 2012, 17:06

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4P5-GQ6
United States Census, 1940," Paul Schillaci, Ward 4, Garfield, Garfield City, Bergen, New Jersey, United States
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name: Paul Schillaci
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1940
event place: Ward 4, Garfield, Garfield City, Bergen, New Jersey, United States
gender: Male
age: 47
marital status: Married
race (original): White
race (standardized): White
relationship to head of household (original): Head
relationship to head of household (standardized): Head
birthplace: Italy
estimated birth year: 1893
residence in 1935: Same Place
enumeration district number: 2-134
family number: 94
sheet number and letter: 5A
line number: 5
nara publication number: T627
nara roll number: 2308
digital folder number: 005461966
image number: 00517
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Paul Schillaci M 47 Italy
wife Lillian Schillaci F 46 Italy
son Tony Schillaci M 22 New Jersey
son Nick Schillaci M 15 New Jersey
Source Citation
"United States Census, 1940," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4P5-GQ6 : accessed 13 Sep 2012), Paul Schillaci, Ward 4, Garfield, Garfield City, Bergen, New Jersey, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 2-134, sheet 5A, family 94, NARA digital publication T627, roll 2308.
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby vj » 13 Sep 2012, 17:07

Hey Julia,
for everyone's reference, the 1920 census in Garfield
Lena probably wouldn't be on a census earlier than 1920 if she arrived abt 1912-1913
(note: Lena also known as Lily, Lillian on 1930 and 1940 census records)
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1920 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img401/2461/1920e.jpg

Home in 1920:
72 Scudder Street, rents
Garfield Ward 4, Bergen, New Jersey

Paul Schellas 26
Liara (Lena) Schellas 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1912, nat 1919
Thomas Schellas 2
John Schellas 3/12
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby Michael31 » 13 Sep 2012, 17:15

www.ellisisland.org
214. Paolino Schillaci Campofranco, Sicily 1907 31 View View View
215. Paolino Schillaci Campofranco, Sicily 1912 34 View View View
216. Paolino Schillaci Lubera 1906 28 View View View
217. Paolino Schillaci S. Intera 1902 25 View View View
218. Paolino Schillaci Serra Falco, Sicily 1920 24 View View View
219. Paolino Schillaci Sutera 1907 27 View View View
220. Paolino Schillaci Sutera 1905 28 View View View
221. Paolo Schillaci 1904 10 View View View
222. Paolo Schillaci S. Agata, Messina 1910 26 View View View
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby Michael31 » 13 Sep 2012, 17:24

http://www.castlegarden.org/search_02.p ... ubmit.y=16


LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX ARRIVAL DATE PLACE OF LAST RESIDENCE
TORENTO ANTONIA 14 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO BARTOLO 4 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO BERNARDINO 51 M 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO CAROLINA 21 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO ELENA 7 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO ERMANNA 12 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO GENNARO 21 M 21 Apr 1905 MONTEPAGANO
TORENTO LUIGI 32 M 24 Mar 1902 SARNO
TORENTO ROSA 16 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
TORENTO SANTA 44 F 17 Apr 1893 LIPARI
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby Michael31 » 13 Sep 2012, 17:27

http://www.castlegarden.org/search_02.p ... ubmit.y=16


LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX ARRIVAL DATE PLACE OF LAST RESIDENCE
GIAMMANCA FILIPPO 6 M 9 Jul 1903 PIANA GRECI
GIAMMANCA FRANCESCA 28 F 8 Jan 1900 VALLELUNGA
GIAMMANCA GIUSEPPE 14 M 9 Jul 1903 PIANA GRECI
GIAMMANCA MARIA 3 F 9 Jul 1903 PIANA GRECI
GIAMMANCA NICOLO 16 M 9 Jul 1903 PIANA GRECI
GIAMMANCA ROSALIA 27 F 24 May 1899 SFERRACA

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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 13 Sep 2012, 18:10

Hi! Thanks everyone,

You are right, if Lena arrived with (or without) her family in 1912 and was married in 1916, she would not be on any census WITH her parents....
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby harvyfugel » 11 Apr 2014, 08:41

Hey Leand ,it's really great to know that you have got the info about your husband's family. If you have some pics of the family than it would be great if you post them.
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 11 Apr 2014, 14:03

Hi there! Unfortunately, I have NO pictures of the TORRENTI family at all!
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby suanj » 12 Apr 2014, 15:50

Hi, abt Paul Schillaci:
Paul Schillars, "United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918"
Name: Paul Schillars
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Bergen County no 1, New Jersey, United States
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 03 Jun 1893
Birthplace: Palermo, , Italy
Nationality: Italy
Affiliate Publication Title: World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards
Affiliate Publication Number: M1509
GS Film number: 1711907
Digital Folder Number: 005217847
Image Number: 05705
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby suanj » 12 Apr 2014, 16:03

Paul Schillars, "United States Census, 1930"
Name: Paul Schillars
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1930
Event Place: Garfield, Bergen, New Jersey, United States
District: 0096
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1894
Birthplace: Italy
Immigration Year: 1903
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Sheet Number and Letter: 14B
Household ID: 287
Line Number: 93
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 1312
GS Film number: 2341047
Digital Folder Number: 004660849
Image Number: 01013
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Paul Schillars M 36 Italy
Wife Lily Schillars F 27 Italy
Son Thomas Schillars M 12 New Jersey
Son John Schillars M 10 New Jersey
Son Nicholes Schillars M 6 New Jersey
Boarder Sam Modonna M 23 Italy (=Salvatore Madonia also coming from Palermo)


in 1940 census, it was another Schillaci:


Nicholas Schillaci, "United States Census, 1940"




Name: Nicholas Schillaci
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Ward 4, Garfield, Garfield City, Bergen, New Jersey, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Year (Estimated): 1896
Last Place of Residence: Same House
District: 2-135
Family Number: 272
Sheet Number and Letter: 12B
Line Number: 46
Affiliate Publication Number: T627
Affiliate Film Number: 2308
Digital Folder Number: 005461966
Image Number: 00556
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Nicholas Schillaci M 44 Italy
Wife Pauline Schillaci F 37 Italy
Daughter Ida Schillaci F 16 New Jersey
Son Carmelo Schillaci M 13 New Jersey
Son Emil Schillaci M 3 New Jersey

he was the brother of Paolo/Paul;
here the arrival of Paolo and Nicolò, coming from Palermo, both joining at Carmelo Schillaci father in New York
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0023
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby suanj » 12 Apr 2014, 16:52

abt Lena Torrente:
I believe that the first name was Angela [Angela>Angelina (= little Angela)>Lina ( diminutive of Angelina)=Lena in USA).
I found a possible arrival record:

First Name: Angela
Last Name: Torrente
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Fairgnano, Sicily
Date of Arrival: Dec 07, 1913
Age at Arrival: 13y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Stampalia
Port of Departure: Palermo
Manifest Line Number: 0018

pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018
born in Favignana....

pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018
joining at brother Giacomo Torrente in Trenton NJ
I am a bit positive abt the find, because the surname Torrente is very popular in Favignana( Egadi islands, Trapani province, Sicily, IT) as a well the her mother maiden name: GRAMMATICO that I believe right spell...
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 14 Apr 2014, 14:36

Thank you! I should have mentioned that I was able to find the information I was looking for.
I have all the Schillaci records, and I was able to find Lena Torrenti. She arrived with her sister Francesca as ROSOLIA, in 1913. Not sure how ROSOLIA turned into LENA, but there you have it :)
I also found Rosolia's 1902 Birth Record on Familysearch.org

Rosolia married Paolo Schillaci in NJ on 1916. She lied that she was 18 years old...she was actually only about 15 or 16, based on her 1902 birth record!
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 14 Apr 2014, 14:39

Arrival record for Francesca and Rosolia
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Re: Can't find records for a family (TORENTO/TORRENTE)

Postby LeandraCat » 14 Apr 2014, 14:42

Gerlando Torrente and Giuseppa Giammanco - Italy marriage record
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