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Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby trbarr » 18 Sep 2012, 03:46

My great grandfather Nicholas Orlandi (1867) born somewhere in Italy (believe the Tuscan area) married Marguerite Livorna. My grandfather Wilfred Orlandi was one of their children. I am looking for more information on Nocholas and Marguerite.
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby suanj » 18 Sep 2012, 12:05

maybe you can find more info by marriage certificate:
groom's name: Orlandi
bride's name: Margherita Livorno
marriage license year: 1891
license number: 47924
image number: 00173
digital folder number: 4141875
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 18 Sep 2012, 19:12

suanj wrote:maybe you can find more info by marriage certificate:...
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This may help you to order a copy:

suanj's record find from:
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Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Indexes, 1885-1951

Link for ordering a copy of the record:
http://secureprod.phila.gov/wills/marri ... dinfo.aspx

Hey suanj :D !
Great record
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 18 Sep 2012, 21:04

A few more clues, from FamilySearch
Valarie

1st son?

1892 Birth Record
name: Orlandi (Albert S Orlandi on Death Certificate)
event type: Birth
event date: 25 Nov 1892
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
gender: Male
race: wh
father's name: Nichol Orlandi
mother's name: Marie
reference number: bk 1892 p 263
film number: 1289332
digital folder number: 004183437
image number: 00259
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1892 Phila Death Certificate
http://imageshack.us/a/img542/6465/1892g.jpg
name: Albert S Orlandi
event: Death
event date: 10 Dec 1892
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
gender: Male
race: White
age: 2 weeks
estimated birth year: 1892
birth date:
birthplace: Phila, Pa
marital status: Single
father: Nicola Orlandi
mother: Margherita
occupation: Infant
street address: Rear of 338 Garden
residence: Philadelphia
cemetery: Holy Cross Cemetery
burial place: Yeadon, Delaware County, PA
burial date: 13 Dec 1892
film number: 1902108
digital folder number: 004009758
image number: 01146
reference number: cn 12421
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1894 Birth Record
name: Nicholas Orlandi (Lionel Nicholas Orlandi)
event type: Birth
event date: 16 Jan 1894
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
gender: Male
race: W
father's name: Nicholas Orlandi
mother's name:
reference number: bk Jan 1894 p 41
film number: 1289333
digital folder number: 004183438
image number: 00582
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1897 Birth Certificate
name: Joseph Orlandi
event type: Birth
event date: 15 Aug 1897
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
gender: Male
race: white
father's name: Nicholas Orlandi
mother's name: Marguerite Orlandi
reference number: bk 1897 p 121
film number: 1289336
digital folder number: 004261694
image number: 00305
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1897 Death Certificate
http://imageshack.us/a/img253/7458/1897.jpg
name: Joseph Orlande
event: Death
event date: 15 Aug 1897
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
gender: Male
race: White
age: 5 hours
estimated birth year: 1897
father: Nicola Orlande
mother: Margherita
street address: 338 Garden
residence: Philadelphia
cemetery: Holy Cross
burial place: Yeadon, Delaware County, PA
burial date: 16 Aug 1897
film number: 1870111
digital folder number: 004009660
image number: 01601
reference number: item 1 cn 3442
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1898 Death Certificate
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name: Rosa Orlandi
event: Death
event date: 19 Jul 1898
event place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
gender: Female
race: W
age: 11 months
estimated birth year: 1898 (1897)
birthplace: Phila.
father: Nicola Orlandi
mother: Margherita
street address: 4023 Market Street
residence: Phila., Phila., PA
cemetery: Holy Cross
burial place: Phila., Phila., PA (Yeadon, Delaware County, PA)
burial date: 22 Jul 1898
film number: 1769416
digital folder number: 004009432
image number: 00494
reference number: item 1 cn 1930
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 18 Sep 2012, 22:49

another clue?

possible brother Orlando Orlandi
born abt 1863, immig abt 1883
married Mary/Marianne Fendi in Phila
had sons named Alfred, Joseph and Albert
(1900 Phila census)

1894 Phila Directory
Orlandi Nicholas A, salesman, home rear 338 Garden
Orlandi, Orlando, huckster, home rear 338 Garden
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 18 Sep 2012, 23:21

neat article if you don't already have a copy

Wilfred G Orlandi and father NA Orlandi mentioned

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/3060/1918.JPG
Pleasantville Pointers
Pleasantville NJ
Date: Wednesday, 17 July 1918
Paper: Philadelphia Inquirer (Philadelphia, PA)
Volume: 179, Issue: 17, Page: 3
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby trbarr » 19 Sep 2012, 00:35

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is great info.
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby suanj » 19 Sep 2012, 11:09

vj wrote:another clue?

possible brother Orlando Orlandi
born abt 1863, immig abt 1883
married Mary/Marianne Fendi in Phila
had sons named Alfred, Joseph and Albert
(1900 Phila census)

1894 Phila Directory
Orlandi Nicholas A, salesman, home rear 338 Garden
Orlandi, Orlando, huckster, home rear 338 Garden

great find Valarie! If Orlando ORLANDI was the brother or a relative of Nicola ORLANDI, by this ship's manifest:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Mr. Orlandi Orlando
Name: Mr. Orlandi Orlando
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1908
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: louca ( maybe: LUCCA?)
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: La Lorraine

merchant, US citizen, already in USA from 1893 ( or 1883), with children born in USA: Alfred 15 old, Joseph 13 old, Albert 11 old;
all returning at home 139 Market st, Phila;


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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 19 Sep 2012, 15:39

suanj, great manifest find!
Another clue to birth location :D
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You're very welcome!
I'm so glad we could help a bit
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 19 Sep 2012, 17:20

Margherita/Marguerite Livorno/a (abt 1873)

most likely the correct family:
with parents and siblings on 1884 ship manifest
(sister Maria born in Phila 1886)
in 1900 parents living with brother Joseph in Phila

probable 1884 ship manifest
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Ship Name: Pennland
Arrival Date: 4 Mar 1884
Port of Departure: Antwerp/St. Kitts
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
(relationships assumed)

Ant (Antonio) Levorno (Livorno) 43, abt 1841
(wife) Anna 43, abt 1841
(son) Gior (Giov/Giovanni) 16, abt 1868
(daughter) Mary (Marg/Margherita) 11, abt 1873
(son) Gins (Gius/Giuseppe) 6, abt 1878
(son) Alphonso 2, abt 1882
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parents and siblings?

1900 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/2893/1900hk.jpg

Home in 1900:
2012 Germantown Ave, rents house
Philadelphia Ward 19, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

head Joseph Livomo (Livorno) 22, born Mar 1878 IT
- married 33 yrs, abt 1867
- immig 1882
father Antonia (Antonio) Livomo (Livorno) 59, born Dec 1840 IT
- immig 1881, in US 19yrs, Al (alien)
- barber
mother Anna Livomo 58, born Dec 1841 IT
- 8 children born, 4 children living
- immig 1882
brother Lawrence Livomo 19, born Aug 1880 IT
- immig 1882
sister Marie Livomo 15, born Mar 1885 Penna
boarder Romulus Corti 16
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1910 census
mother Anna living with son Joseph
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/8461/1910l.jpg

Home in 1910:
39 South Congress Street, rents house
Atlantic City Ward 1, Atlantic, New Jersey

head Joseph Livoma 31, abt 1879 IT
sister Marie M Livoma 21, abt 1889 PA
brother Frank A Livoma 26, abt 1884 IT
mother Anna M Livoma 69, abt 1841 IT
- married once, 46 yrs, abt 1864
(note: 1911 Atlantic Directory, Anna is listed as widow of Antonio)
boarder Frank A Capobianco 33
boarder John Notz 57
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possible brother Giuseppe/Joseph Livorno born in Piedmont (region) Italy:

1917-8 WWI Draft Registration Card living in Atlantic County, NJ

1942 WWII Draft Registration Card
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Name: Joseph Livorno
Birth Date: 18 Mar 1879
Birth Place: Piedmont, Italy
Residence: Atlantic, New Jersey
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby suanj » 19 Sep 2012, 18:16

It is a wonderful find!
Thanks Valarie!
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 19 Sep 2012, 18:23

Thank you suanj!
We got lucky.
I couldn't find any other Livorno/a in Philadelphia - this family really seems to fit Marguerite.
If poster 'tbarr' thinks this is the correct family, he could order brother Joseph Livorno's SS Application ($27) to get their parent's full names and place of birth.
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Name: Joseph Livorno
SSN: 138-03-3638
Last Residence: 08201 Absecon, Atlantic, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 18 Mar 1879
Last Benefit: 08201 Absecon, Atlantic, New Jersey, United States of America
Died: Nov 1979 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

Order form SSA-711 (can be done online):
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby suanj » 20 Sep 2012, 11:32

Hi Valerie,
1900 census
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/2893/1900hk.jpg

Home in 1900:
2012 Germantown Ave, rents house
Philadelphia Ward 19, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

head Joseph Livomo (Livorno) 22, born Mar 1878 IT
- married 33 yrs, abt 1867
- immig 1882
father Antonia (Antonio) Livomo (Livorno) 59, born Dec 1840 IT
- immig 1881, in US 19yrs, Al (alien)
- barber
mother Anna Livomo 58, born Dec 1841 IT
- 8 children born, 4 children living
- immig 1882
brother Lawrence Livomo 19, born Aug 1880 IT
- immig 1882
sister Marie Livomo 15, born Mar 1885 Penna
boarder Romulus Corti 16


Lorenzo Livorno made a trip in Italy and back in USA on 5 Nov. 1900; the last residence in Italy is: MUSALUS(?)
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Lorenzo Livorno
Name: Lorenzo Livorno
Arrival Date: 5 Nov 1900
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: La Touraine

Search Ship Database: Search the La Touraine in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

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already in USA from 17 years; joining at father Antonio 112 Germantown Ave, Philadelphia;
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby vj » 20 Sep 2012, 17:34

suanj,
What a great record! :D
Do you think he went back to Italy to fulfill his military service?
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Re: Nicholas Orlandi and/or Marguerite Livorna

Postby suanj » 20 Sep 2012, 21:32

Hi Valarie, I know not.. maybe... but he back in ISA and it was 19 old, so he no made the military service, otherwise he returning in USA when he was 20 or 21 old... I cannot find Lawrence(Lorenzo) Livorno WWI draft registration card... just in the hope of birthplace .. because Musalus... it exist not...
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