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Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby Josie07M11 » 09 Jun 2013, 01:09

Hi everybody I'm having some trouble in my research finding the birth record for my ancestor Ignazio Stagno. He was born on the 6 June 1893 in Galati, Messina and died on 12 August 1943 in Giardini (now Giardini-Naxos, ME). I visited his grave there and know that those are indeed the dates he born and died, and also received verification from the comune of Giardini that he was indeed born in Galati.

I've searched through hundreds of pages of the familysearch section for Galati Mamertino, thinking that this is the place where I would find Galati records. He's not listed in the 1893 births for Galati Mamertino and as far as I can tell there are no other Stagno's in the surrounding years.

On the antenati website, Galati and Galati Mamertino are separated. Does this mean these places are different? And I won't find records for my ancestor until familysearch puts up their Galati records?

Thanks!
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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby adelfio » 09 Jun 2013, 01:44

Did you get a copy of the death record can you post it

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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby erudita74 » 09 Jun 2013, 02:32

There is a Galati Marina two hours from Galati Mermetina, both in Messina Province. I think the former is closer to Giardini.

Registri dello stato civile di Galati Marina (Messina), 1820-1910
Authors Galati Marina (Messina). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)
Galati Inferiore (Messina). Ufficio dello stato civile (Added Author)

Note Location
Film
Nati, matrimoni, morti 1820-1859 VAULT INTL Film 1438513
Nati, matrimoni, morti 1860-1865 FHL INTL Film 1438514 Items 1-2
Matrimoni 1877, 1908-1910 FHL INTL Film 1797557 Item 3

It says in the library catalog that this is filmed with Gazzi, in Messina, but I don't see that online.

Also I just found that Galati Marina is a frazione of the town of Messina itself. Maybe you should look at the town of Messina records online.

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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby Josie07M11 » 09 Jun 2013, 03:20

Hi Marty I didn't get a copy of his death record, only these three pages which I believe are the only records they have of Ignazio Stagno at Giardini:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nxk0f6cfm3xl5xy/VjUXEqytFF

Thanks Erudita, perhaps I should order the films for Galati Marina then. I wish there was some history about whether 'Galati' was absorbed into Galati Mamertino or Marina. I'll keep looking though :) Thanks.
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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby erudita74 » 09 Jun 2013, 04:42

Josie07M11 wrote:Hi Marty I didn't get a copy of his death record, only these three pages which I believe are the only records they have of Ignazio Stagno at Giardini:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nxk0f6cfm3xl5xy/VjUXEqytFF

Thanks Erudita, perhaps I should order the films for Galati Marina then. I wish there was some history about whether 'Galati' was absorbed into Galati Mamertino or Marina. I'll keep looking though :) Thanks.


Eureka! I found it, Josie. The town of Galati, one of the so-called villages of the town of Messina. The record is on familysearch.org- Date of birth- June 8, 1893 (Happy Birthday, that's still today where I live!)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n966995224

If the link doesn't work, go to Italy, Messina, Messina, ...ation (Comune), 1866-1910
Villaggi di Messina- Nati 1890-1893 image 2334 of 2897.

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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby Josie07M11 » 09 Jun 2013, 05:07

Whoa thank you so much! That is crazy that you found it. Thank you!!! I wonder why they just pull together all those villages of messina. I guess that's the "suburbs" of Messina? Strange. Thank you again!
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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby erudita74 » 09 Jun 2013, 11:52

Josie07M11 wrote:Whoa thank you so much! That is crazy that you found it. Thank you!!! I wonder why they just pull together all those villages of messina. I guess that's the "suburbs" of Messina? Strange. Thank you again!


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It seems that the town of Messina has 68 of these so called "villages." The "villagi" are not alphabetized by name within the year 1893 either, so finding the record wasn't an easy task. Just glad I found it and that you don't have to rent microfilm.

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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby Josie07M11 » 10 Jun 2013, 05:55

Thank you for taking the time to delve through all those records for me. I've been looking through them myself and it's incredibly frustrating and tedious to have to search for the records from a specific town. But I guess we should just be grateful that they're scanned and available to us at all! :)
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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby steerew » 16 Aug 2013, 05:11

Hi Josie, Erudita, and others:

I also have been confused by Galati and Galati Mamertino. I am looking for a Ferdinando Sammartano (Fred) born very close in time to your Ignazio Stagno - on 13 June 1893 - but probably in Galati Mamertino. Could you please tell me the link to that set of records? I have been unable to find post-1860s records on antenati and familysearch for Galati Mamertino!

[Am also looking for other Sammartano siblings, born from abt 1885-1899, to Nicolo Sammartano and Nunziata (Faranda). Nunziata Faranda was b. 9/14/1863 in Galati Mamertino, to Ferdinando Faranda (b. Naso) and Fortunata (Carcione). Nicolo Sammartano was born in "Galati" per immigration records, but I have not found him (could he have been from the other Galati?). The entire family seems to have come to NYC in 1902 and 1904.

Great tip about where to find Messina's Galati and other village records!

Thank you!
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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby erudita74 » 16 Aug 2013, 11:49

Will
The first link should take you to the records on familysearch.org for more recent years=

https://familysearch.org/search/image/i ... %3D1946858

Italy, Messina, Patti, Ci...on (Tribunale), 1823-1941
Galati Mamertino

Record Type and Year

Allegati (matrimoni) 1911
Allegati (matrimoni) 1912
Allegati (matrimoni) 1913
Allegati (matrimoni) 1914
Allegati (matrimoni) 1915-1916
Allegati (matrimoni) 1920
Allegati (matrimoni) 1921
Allegati (matrimoni) 1922
Allegati (matrimoni) 1925
Allegati (matrimoni) 1927
Allegati (matrimoni) 1930 (Parte 2, Serie B, n 1; Parte 2, Serie A, n 1-30)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1931
Allegati (matrimoni) 1932 (Parte 2, Serie A, n 1-Parte 2, Serie C, n 1)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1933 (n 1-20)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1934 (n 1-31)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1935
Allegati (matrimoni) 1936
Allegati (matrimoni) 1937 (n 1-26)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1939
Allegati (matrimoni) 1939 (Parte 2, Serie A, n 1-29)
Allegati (matrimoni) 1940 (n 1-28)
Allegati (morti) 1926
Allegati (morti) 1927
Allegati (morti) 1930 (Parte 2, Serie A, n 1; Parte 2, Serie C, n 1-2)
Allegati (morti) 1931 (Parte 2, Serie C, n 1-5)
Allegati (morti) 1932
Allegati (morti) 1935
Allegati (pubblicazioni) 1914
Allegati (pubblicazioni) 1922
Allegati (pubblicazioni) 1926
Allegati (pubblicazioni) 1941
Cittadinanze (supplemento) 1927
Cittadinanze 1866-1910
Cittadinanze 1911
Cittadinanze 1911 (Parte 2)
Cittadinanze 1913
Cittadinanze 1914
Cittadinanze 1915
Cittadinanze 1916
Cittadinanze 1917
Cittadinanze 1918
Cittadinanze 1919
Cittadinanze 1920
Cittadinanze 1921
Cittadinanze 1922
Cittadinanze 1923
Cittadinanze 1924
Cittadinanze 1925
Cittadinanze 1926
Cittadinanze 1927
Cittadinanze 1928
Cittadinanze 1929
Cittadinanze 1930
Cittadinanze 1931
Cittadinanze 1932
Matrimoni (supplemento) 1929
Matrimoni 1866-1910
Matrimoni 1868
Matrimoni 1911
Matrimoni 1912
Matrimoni 1913
Matrimoni 1914
Matrimoni 1915
Matrimoni 1916
Matrimoni 1917
Matrimoni 1918
Matrimoni 1919
Matrimoni 1920
Matrimoni 1921
Matrimoni 1922
Matrimoni 1923
Matrimoni 1924
Matrimoni 1925
Matrimoni 1926
Matrimoni 1927
Matrimoni 1928
Matrimoni 1929
Matrimoni 1930
Matrimoni 1931
Matrimoni 1932
Matrimoni 1933
Matrimoni 1934
Matrimoni 1935
Matrimoni 1936
Matrimoni 1937
Matrimoni 1938
Matrimoni 1939
Matrimoni 1940
Matrimoni 1941
Matrimoni, pubblicazioni 1866-1898
Matrimoni, pubblicazioni 1899-1910
Morti (supplemento) 1918
Morti 1866-1897
Morti 1898-1910
Morti 1911
Morti 1912
Morti 1913
Morti 1914
Morti 1915
Morti 1916
Morti 1917
Morti 1918
Morti 1919
Morti 1920
Morti 1921
Morti 1922
Morti 1923
Morti 1924
Morti 1925
Morti 1926
Morti 1927
Morti 1928
Morti 1929
Morti 1930
Morti 1931
Morti 1932
Morti 1933
Morti 1934
Morti 1935
Morti 1936
Morti 1937
Morti 1938
Morti 1939
Morti 1940
Morti 1941
Nati 1866-1895
Nati 1896-1910
Nati 1911
Nati 1912
Pubblicazioni 1912
Pubblicazioni 1913
Pubblicazioni 1915
Pubblicazioni 1916
Pubblicazioni 1917
Pubblicazioni 1918
Pubblicazioni 1920
Pubblicazioni 1921
Pubblicazioni 1924
Pubblicazioni 1925
Pubblicazioni 1926
Pubblicazioni 1927
Pubblicazioni 1935


To access the earlier records, you have to go a roundabout way, as familysearch will not allow you to access them. The link below should take you to the records-

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... Mamertino/

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Re: Galati or Galati Mamertino?

Postby adelfio » 16 Aug 2013, 16:01

steerew wrote:Hi Josie, Erudita, and others:

I also have been confused by Galati and Galati Mamertino. I am looking for a Ferdinando Sammartano (Fred) born very close in time to your Ignazio Stagno - on 13 June 1893 - but probably in Galati Mamertino. Could you please tell me the link to that set of records? I have been unable to find post-1860s records on antenati and familysearch for Galati Mamertino!

[Am also looking for other Sammartano siblings, born from abt 1885-1899, to Nicolo Sammartano and Nunziata (Faranda). Nunziata Faranda was b. 9/14/1863 in Galati Mamertino, to Ferdinando Faranda (b. Naso) and Fortunata (Carcione). Nicolo Sammartano was born in "Galati" per immigration records, but I have not found him (could he have been from the other Galati?). The entire family seems to have come to NYC in 1902 and 1904.

Great tip about where to find Messina's Galati and other village records!

Thank you!
Will


Birth record of Ferdinando Sammartano INDEX#68

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1397423370

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