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Cascio - Trabunella marriage and family

Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 00:54

Looking for the details on the 1800s marriage and family of Rosario Cascio and Arcangela Trabunella (b abt 1831). commune is Polizzi Generosa, Palermo, Sicily. I have her parents (Gandolfo Trabunella and Concetta Macaluso) and grandparents, but not his.
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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 03:05

rp76226 wrote:Looking for the [color=#FF0000]details on the 1800s marriage and family of Rosario Cascio and Arcangela Trabunella [/color](b abt 1831). commune is Polizzi Generosa, Palermo, Sicily. I have her parents (Gandolfo Trabunella and Concetta Macaluso) and grandparents, but not his.



Located the death act of Arcangela Trabunella (record #51 in 1910 in Polizzi Generosa), and it stated she was the widow of Rosario Cascio. So I started checking death acts from that year and working backwards. Thought I found him in 1907, but the spouse was not Arcangela...

I will continue to check the death records to find Rosario and the names of his parents.

Do you know what year they married?

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Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 03:16

No, I have just that same death record. I tried looking at this site for Polizzi Generosa which has records back to 1820, but could not find him there. http://www.polizzigenerosaisnellogeneal ... gspot.com/

I also found them listed on the 1882 marriage record #40 of their son Giuseppe Cascio to Lucia Trabunella, my great grandparents. He's listed as age 60 then which would put him born about 1822.
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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 03:55

Found Rosario's death act. The name is ROSARIO LO CASCIO
Record #160 in 1895
Died on 26 December at 5 PM
Age 64, peasant farmer (makes birth about 1831 as you stated, they are not microfilmed)
Born in Polizzi to Giuseppe, peasant farmer, and to Maria Scarpa, housewife (both deceased)
Husband of Arcangela Tarbunella

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Re: Cascio - Trabunella marriage and family

Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 04:08

Thank you so much!
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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 15:35

rp76226 wrote:Thank you so much!


Prego!

FYI - I misspelled Arcangela's surname above. The record reads TRABUNELLA :-)

Also found a birth record for a son, Gandolfo, born to Rosario Cascio and Arcangela Trabunella in the 1855 indexes you posted. Record #6
That would mean that they most likely married before 1855...

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Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 16:30

Thanks. I was aware of Gandolfo. The problem with that index is that some years are missing in births, marriages, and deaths and I think this family had events in some of those years. I did a master spreadsheet and sorted it on all the years for each category so that I could find the pertinent events, but some events are missing.
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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 16:59

rp76226 wrote:Thanks. I was aware of Gandolfo. The problem with that index is that some years are missing in births, marriages, and deaths and I think this family had events in some of those years. I did a master spreadsheet and sorted it on all the years for each category so that I could find the pertinent events, but some events are missing.


Found the marriage of Giuseppe Cascio and Lucia Trabunella in 1882, that you referenced. Also saw the publication of the banns, same year.

So I looked for the Allegati (attachments to marriage record - documents required for the marriage) for Giuseppe's marriage. Found it, and it contains Giuseppe's birth record (in case you do not have it) on 16 January 1859...
Rosario is age 25 in this record, making his birth about 1834 this time :)
Arcangela Trabunella is also listed as age 25.

The link to the birth record for Giuseppe in 1859
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :263686255

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :263686255

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Re: Cascio - Trabunella marriage and family

Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 18:23

Tessa, on Italian marriage and death certificates, ages seem to be a guess by the person doing the reporting. Nothing is verified. Unless one has the birth record, you never really know. On the Allegati record, I translated the names, dates, residencies, etc. At the bottom, it indicates a September date in 1882. What is that? I believe they married on August 25, 1882 per 1882 Marriage Publication # 40.
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Postby rp76226 » 05 Aug 2013, 21:04

Regarding the Allegati record, I think it is confirming the marriage had been published three times prior to the actual marriage with no opposition to the marriage occurring. Is there an organization to Allegati records? I've never found indices which help tremendously when available. I've also seen, birth, marriage, death, and other records all mixed together with no sense of order which, not being able to read Italian without an Internet translator, causes me to ignore them altogether.
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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 21:40

rp76226 wrote:Tessa, on Italian marriage and death certificates, ages seem to be a guess by the person doing the reporting. Nothing is verified. Unless one has the birth record, you never really know. On the Allegati record, I translated the names, dates, residencies, etc. At the bottom, it indicates a September date in 1882. What is that? I believe they married on August 25, 1882 per 1882 Marriage Publication # 40.


You are correct about the ages on records... these were mostly illiterate peasants who could often only estimate their own age, or the age of loved ones. You will see the same issue with ages on US Censuses, and especially US death records. The birth record would be the "verifier" as you say.

As to the allegatti question... that notation on the publication of the banns of 7 September 1882 is the officials notation for recording it in the allegati. You will also see the officials notation on the birth records for both the bride and groom with a date of 25 August 1882 :-)

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Postby Tessa78 » 05 Aug 2013, 21:47

rp76226 wrote:Regarding the Allegati record, I think it is confirming the marriage had been published three times prior to the actual marriage with no opposition to the marriage occurring. Is there an organization to Allegati records? I've never found indices which help tremendously when available. I've also seen, birth, marriage, death, and other records all mixed together with no sense of order which, not being able to read Italian without an Internet translator, causes me to ignore them altogether.


There is no clear organization to Allegati records that I have ever seen.

As to the order of births, deaths, etc. on microfilm... these were photographed by the LDS and then digitized. Some of them are very mixed up. Others are missing 1) because the records were lost in natural disasters or wars; and 2) because they were not filmed.
Many digitized records are also labeled incorrectly :-(

As to the indices... sometimes you find them at the beginning of a book of acts, sometimes at the end, and sometimes not at all. They can be alphabetized by surname, by given name, or not alphabetized and just listed chronologically. The more you work with a particular comune, the more familiar you become with its records. And even if you do not read Italian, it is not hard to recognize a particular name. You just need to be willing, when the situation arises, to search through the documents page by page to spot an ancestor :-)

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Re: Cascio - Trabunella marriage and family

Postby bvbellomo » 06 Aug 2013, 16:39

I know I saw a whole bunch of Petralia Sottana records (deaths I think) mixed into the Polizzi allegeti. Someone probably thinks they weren't microfilmed and wishes they could see them. I bet someone else is scratching their head looking at the Polizzi 1859-1861 wondering how they got mixed into their town's records.

You have to appreciate what the Mormon's have done, but they made a lot of mistakes.

As for the allegeti, a lot of times I have to go through page by page until I find the record I am looking for. More than once, I found a death record I wanted but wasn't looking for at the time doing this.
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Re: Cascio - Trabunella marriage and family

Postby bvbellomo » 06 Aug 2013, 16:48

BTW - After a very quick search, I can't find Giuseppe's parents. I always look to see if Polizzi posts fit into my tree. If you post them, I will give anything in my tree I have that is relevant.
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