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De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 19 Aug 2013, 04:36

Hi everyone, I am looking for a clue into my grandfathers past life in Italy if anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated, His name was Pasquale De Fazio or DeFazio, went by patsy,pat or Joe in America, Born jan 6 1898.

I know a lot about his life here in America, but I dont know where he was born in Italy or parents, brothers, sisters, etc. I found a naturalization date for him in the 50s but it didnt say much, no declaration of intent found either, I have 2 clues into his past life.

1. Immigration date through ellis Island March 22, 1922 and lists his last place of residence as Cicala Italy, It says born in Cicala as well, but I went through and payed a third party and they said no birth record was found for him in Cicala, but I dont know how good of a search they did.

2. He had a wife before he came who he left, Elisabetta Salvo, and a son, Carmine/Carmen DeFazio, who came to America much later in life after his father.

I would love a marriage record with his parents names, a birth/ baptism record, anything to get passed this brick wall in my genealogy, part of my problem is not speaking/understanding Italian.

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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 19 Aug 2013, 10:29

I cant seem to find many documents from that area of Italy. If it helps at all his first daughters name was elenore, first son was carmine/Carmen as well I believe, I know southern italians had their naming traditions of first son first daughter
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby suanj » 19 Aug 2013, 11:42

Hi, that is the last trip:
First Name: Pasquale
Last Name: De Fazio
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Cicala, Italy
Date of Arrival: Mar 23, 1922
Age at Arrival: 24y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Colombo
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0014


but I believe that this record is abt a previous trip:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 about Pasquale Difazio
Name: Pasquale Difazio
Arrival Date: Sep 1913
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1895
Birth Country: Italy
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Italian
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 2

father Rosario in Cicala, joining at cousin Giacomo Di/De Fazio in New York City; last residence Montreal, Canada, on Pasquale name are a note abt the first name ( ... Giuseppe) and that he landed in foreign country from may 1912 by Taormina ship,



here the arrival of 1912:


First Name: Pasquale
Last Name: DeFazio
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Cicala, Italy
Date of Arrival: May 10, 1912
Age at Arrival: 23y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Taormina
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0005
father Rosario in Cicala, IT; destination Montreal,Canada;

pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0005
pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0005
joining at cousin Filippo Gigliotti in Montreal, Canada.. the birthplace is Cicala...

the discrepancy is abt the birthyear in this ship's manifest...
It could be your ancestor? maybe you no received the birth certificate because the birthdate could be wrong..


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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 19 Aug 2013, 21:12

It could be I guess but everything says his birth is jannuary 6 1898 though, all the census, his naturalization, death index, etc
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby suanj » 19 Aug 2013, 21:36

hmmm.. by the public genealogic tree on ancestry.com the Joe/Pasquale parents was: Carmine De Fazio and Eleonora De Fazio.. so maybe the other trips are no abt right Pasquale...
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Tessa78 » 19 Aug 2013, 21:37

Lisabyrd wrote:It could be I guess but everything says his birth is jannuary 6 1898 though, all the census, his naturalization, death index, etc


Hi Lisa :-)

Where did he live in US? What was his occupation?

I found a WWI registration card for a Pasquale De Fazio from Cicala...
Date of birth on that is 11 January 1895...
THIS Pasquale was single at the time, and living in Hoboken, NJ

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1175473839

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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 20 Aug 2013, 02:51

Hey Tessa! I believe they were married in Chicago, thats where my grandma was from and that is where their first child was born in 1926, they then move to L.A. where he was a music teacher for awhile, and he owned a recording studio too, later on in life he moved to Hesperia California, The carmine and ellenor is just a best guess for his parents I think, after talking to some people.

I heard that everyone in Italy was drafted into the military at 18 during his time period, which was during world war 1, is there any kind of archive like that online?

Also I dont know if it would help but his first son Carmen/Carmine who he left in Italy with his first wife was a pow to America in world war 2.


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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby suanj » 20 Aug 2013, 11:18

Hi, I believe that a brother of your Pasquale , well it was James DE Fazio( born with italian first name: Vincenzo) and he also lived in San Bernardino County, CA; here the death:
California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about Vincent Defazio
Name: Vincent Defazio

Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1896
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 26 Feb 1957
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Stancatta ( Stancato)
Father's Surname: Defazio

the wife was Raffaella Stancato; Vincenzo arrived in USA in 1917 from Canada:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 about Vincenzo Di Fazio
Name: Vincenzo Di Fazio
Arrival Date: 26 Mar 1917
Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, United States
Arrival Contact: Uncle Luigi Salvo
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Place: Cicala, Italy
Birth Country: Italy
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Italian
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

and naturalized in 1937:
U.S., Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1795-1972 (World Archives Project) about Vincenzo De Fazio
Name: Vincenzo De Fazio
Age: 41
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1896
Birth Location: Italy
Spouse: Rafael
Children: Carmine,Rosie,Eleanor,Mary,Elizabeth,Carolina,Annie
Arrival Year: 1917
Issue Date: 17 May 1937
State: California
Locality, Court: Southern District, Central Division, Los Angeles, California, District Court
Record Type: D

born in Cicala married in Chicago,IL on 10 jun 1917...

the 1930 census:
James Defazio, "United States Census, 1930"
Name: James Defazio
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1930
Event Place: Montebello, Los Angeles, California, United States
District: 1178
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1895
Birthplace: Italy
Immigration Year: 1917
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Sheet Number and Letter: 17B
Household ID: 146
Line Number: 89
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T626
Affiliate Film Number: 167
GS Film number: 2339902
Digital Folder Number: 004531814
Image Number: 00896
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head James Defazio M 35 Italy
Wife Raffaela Defazio F 36 Italy
Son Carmen Defazio M 12 Illinois
Daughter Rosie Defazio F 8 Illinois
Daughter Eleonor Defazio F 6 Illinois
Daughter Mary Defazio F 3 Illinois
Daughter Elizabeth Defazio F 1 California

1940 census:

James De Fazio, "United States Census, 1940"
Name: James De Fazio
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Montebello Judicial Township, Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Year (Estimated): 1896
Last Place of Residence: Same House
District: 19-430
Family Number: 366
Sheet Number and Letter: 18B
Line Number: 75
Affiliate Publication Number: T627
Affiliate Film Number: 239
Digital Folder Number: 005456304
Image Number: 00772
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head James De Fazio M 44 Italy
Wife Raffeala De Fazio F 44 Italy
Son Carmen De Fazio M 22 Illinois
Daughter Rose De Fazio F 18 Illinois
Daughter Eleanor De Fazio F 16 Illinois
Daughter Mary De Fazio F 13 Illinois
Daughter Elizabeth Detazio F 11 California
Daughter Caroline Detazio F 10 California
Daughter Anna Detazio F 5 California

if my idea is right, your Pasquale was born in Cicala, but in different year, or under first name: Giuseppe Pasquale

just a better search in Cicala civil records can be helpful... but I am very positive that he was born in Cicala....
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby cdar1231 » 20 Aug 2013, 18:21

Hi Lisa,

I won't pretend to have any information on your grandfather especially since i'm still very new at all this myself. However, i wanted to tell you that i have a De Fazio in my family tree: Caterina De Fazio who is my 2nd great grandmother. She was also from Calabria but from Sambiase, not exactly a neighbor of Cicala but not far. There may or may not be a connection. I don't have any information on her parents or brothers or sisters but wanted to let you know. Happy to explore more with you, if you want.

Good luck with your search. The folks on this message board are VERY generous with their time and knowledge so you are in good hands. :-)

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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 20 Aug 2013, 22:12

That is an interesting find, but as far as I know he adopted the name Joe later in life, its possible that they said they couldnt find anything because I had listed his fathers name as carmine, not sure though, and thanks Chris I will keep that in mind while researching!

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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Tessa78 » 20 Aug 2013, 22:28

Have your tried writing directly to the comune of Cicala for his birth record?

Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Via Attanzio
88040 Cicala (CZ)
ITALY


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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 20 Aug 2013, 22:41

Sort of, what the third party did was arrange a letter that she showed me through email that they sent out to Cicala, which Cicala wrote back and said there was no record, I don't know if maybe I had his father listed wrong? Maybe thats why, but I'm not sure. Do you think I should write directly?
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Tessa78 » 21 Aug 2013, 03:44

Lisabyrd wrote:Sort of, what the third party did was arrange a letter that she showed me through email that they sent out to Cicala, which Cicala wrote back and said there was no record, I don't know if maybe I had his father listed wrong? Maybe thats why, but I'm not sure. Do you think I should write directly?


Yes, I do :-)
It will cost you nothing but time and effort.
Be sure to include as much information as you can about him, approximate date of birth, "possible" parent names, etc.

Good luck!

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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby Lisabyrd » 23 Aug 2013, 05:50

Hey Suanj I just had a bit of a breakthrough! I found out from older family members my grandfather did have family in Canada and my family member did mention something about him passing from canada as well, he said my grandfather had a sister name Anna (ahh-nah is kind of how he pronounced it) so maybe what you linked me is correct!
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Re: De Fazio Help

Postby suanj » 23 Aug 2013, 10:28

Yes, I am positive abt that... I believe that the birthdate of Pasquale is wrong and for that the Cicala clerk no found it...
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