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Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 03 Sep 2013, 06:24

Looking for a birth record for Sebastiano Lorenzo who was born in San Fele, Basilicata in 1880 or 81. His parents are Pietroangelo Lorenzo and Rosa Santoro. ANy help would be much appreciated. I am going in circles on every website and having problems connecting with the local commune contacts.
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby PippoM » 03 Sep 2013, 10:41

You can find birth (Nati) records for San Fele here:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/i ... %3D1483052

Unfortunately there seem to be no indexes, so I think you will have to go through all the pages (about 350 images for the two years...)
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2013, 11:21

hi, if the below record is abt your ancestor:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Sabastiano Lorenzo
Name: Sabastiano Lorenzo
City: Newark
County: Essex
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1

well I searched in San Fele on feb 1880 and on feb 1881 and I no found the birth act.. maybe he was born in another day and another month..
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2013, 11:29

I found a:
LORENZO Sebastiano born in San Fele on 16 Feb 1879 #50 son of Giuseppe LORENZO and of Margherita BENGIVENGA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n374423315
so it is not your ancestor...
and I believe that the above record is referredt at the Sebasiano Lorenzo living in Nj..
YOUR Sebastiano where lived in USA?
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2013, 11:59

this is the marriage record:
Sebastiano Lorenzo, "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980"
Name: Sebastiano Lorenzo
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Maria Romano
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 09 Dec 1900
Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name: Pietrangelo Lorenzo
Mother's Name: Rosa Santoro
Spouse's Father's Name: Giuseppe Romano
Spouse's Mother's Name: Rosa Milano
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00475-0
System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 1570442
Reference ID:
and searching the WWI draft registration card, I found:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Sebastian Lorenz
Name: Sebastian Lorenz (Lorenzo)
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 94
born in Italy, wife Mary Lorenzo, 109 Mott st, Manhattan, New York

but in San Fele in 1880 births .. no record...:
1880 birth index
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n374423315

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby adelfio » 03 Sep 2013, 14:52

POSSIBLE birth record for Sebastiano Lorenzo could it be that Pietrangelo married again
to Rosa Santoro this the only Sebastiano Lorenzo for 1880-1881
INDEX#392
1881 Nov 13 in the town of San Fele in a house on via Toretta birth of Sebastiano Lorenzo son of Pietrangelo Lorenzo age 39 and his wife Rosa de Maio

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1312818396

CLICK FOR RECORD CLICK TO ENLARGE


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BIRTH INDEX 1880 PAGE 280
BIRTH INDEX 1881 PAGE 116
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2013, 17:00

great find Marty!
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 04 Sep 2013, 05:53

[quote="adelfio"]POSSIBLE birth record for Sebastiano Lorenzo could it be that Pietrangelo married again
to Rosa Santoro this the only Sebastiano Lorenzo for 1880-1881
INDEX#392
1881 Nov 13 in the town of San Fele in a house on via Toretta birth of Sebastiano Lorenzo son of Pietrangelo Lorenzo age 39 and his wife Rosa de Maio

PG LINK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1312818396

CLICK FOR RECORD CLICK TO ENLARGE

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This is great!!! Thank you so much! And so quickly you found that.

I do have the marriage cert of Sebastiano and Maria Romano and I have Sebastiano's death cert. But this is new and so great. Now if only I read Italian.

I am planning a trip to San Fele next summer and I actually have a street name.

I only know of Rosa Santoro as Pietroangelo's wife on his marriage cert but maybe she was the stepmother and R. de Maio died young? This is getting more interesting all of the time

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 04 Sep 2013, 05:57

suanj wrote:I found a:
LORENZO Sebastiano born in San Fele on 16 Feb 1879 #50 son of Giuseppe LORENZO and of Margherita BENGIVENGA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n374423315
so it is not your ancestor...
and I believe that the above record is referredt at the Sebasiano Lorenzo living in Nj..
YOUR Sebastiano where lived in USA?
suanj

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New Jersey :)
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 04 Sep 2013, 06:15

suanj wrote:hi, if the below record is abt your ancestor:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Sabastiano Lorenzo
Name: Sabastiano Lorenzo
City: Newark
County: Essex
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1

well I searched in San Fele on feb 1880 and on feb 1881 and I no found the birth act.. maybe he was born in another day and another month..
regards,
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Do you have a link to this registration card?

Thanks

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2013, 11:32

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Sabastiano Lorenzo
Name: Sabastiano Lorenzo
City: Newark
County: Essex
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1
nearest relative: Mary Mariniello

http://interactive.ancestry.com/6482/NJ ... turnRecord

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby adelfio » 04 Sep 2013, 15:36

Do you know of any siblings of Sebastiano Lorenzo?
Was Mary Mariniello (married name) his sister on the draft registration card?

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 04 Sep 2013, 16:30

Suanj
Thanks for the registration card. I am not sure if this is the same Sabastiano. WOuldn't his wife be listed as relative? Also the birth month is February same as the other Sebastiano that you all found

It lists his age as 38 and he died at 39 of what looks like heart complications. Hmmm

On a side note, another website wants to charge me $30 for looking up what you found very quickly. They said

"to go on with the research we need dates as more exact as you can.
To search for Sebastiano birth record is difficult without an exact date.
The documents are handwritten and there is not an electronic database to search in.
It means to search page by page every paper for 1-2 (?) years"

I didn't pay them but obviously there is a way to find scanned info. Do you think they are not able to find these records online- I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but I wonder if they are doing a diservice? You are great. Thanks!
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 04 Sep 2013, 16:32

adelfio wrote:Do you know of any siblings of Sebastiano Lorenzo?
Was Mary Mariniello (married name) his sister on the draft registration card?

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I only wish I knew of other siblings!
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 04 Sep 2013, 16:38

suanj wrote:U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Sabastiano Lorenzo
Name: Sabastiano Lorenzo
City: Newark
County: Essex
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1
nearest relative: Mary Mariniello

http://interactive.ancestry.com/6482/NJ ... turnRecord

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this is no your ancestor.. this other Sebastiano Lorenzo was born really in San fele but on 16 feb 1879 (no 1880 as he declared on WWI draft registration card)...
I believe that marty found your Sebastiano birth act..
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