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Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 10 Nov 2013, 16:21

This is Carmela Cusimano's birth record.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n476749651

This is her marriage to Vincenzo Polimeo (son of Antonio & Providenza)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n735692532

Above, I posted the birth and marriage record of my gg gm, Carmela cusimano. From what I was told (I don't read Italian), the marriage lists her parents as Giovanni cusimano & Antonia papa. If anyone could help me find a marriage record for them, I'd be very grateful! Carmela was born in 1875 if that helps for a time frame. Thanks so much for any help in this matter!

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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 10 Nov 2013, 22:05

Marriage of Giovanni Cusimano & Antonia Papa
It looks like they were married in the church before they start having kids but not civil so they got married to recognize the children they had before any of them got married to make them legitimate
In the written part it says they are recognizing the following children
1871 Dec 4 Vincenzo Cusimano
1875 July 24 Carmela Cusimano
1879 Aug 30 Concetta Cusimano
1882 Sept 6 Rosaria Cusimano
1887 April 30 Vincenza Cusimano
1889 Sept 10 Giuseppe Cusimano
INDEX#35
1892 Aug 7th in the town of Castelbuono appeared Giovanni Cusimano age 43 farmer born in San Mauro Castelverde·and resides in Castelbuono son of deceased Giuseppe Cusimano and deceased Carmela Scacciaferro married to Antonia Papa age 42 woman of the house born and residing in Castelbuono daughter of deceased Vincenzo Papa and Concetta Mina??

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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 11 Nov 2013, 03:28

Wow, thank you so much! That's the first new town on this side that I've seen. I'll have to look it up on the map. Was it unusual to be married in the church but not civilly?
So both Giovanni & Antonia's parents were deceased. Hopefully they got to see the grandchildren first.
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 11 Nov 2013, 04:48

Since the sets of parents were deceased at the time of the marriage, I would assume they died in Sicily. What would be the best way to look for those records (or any of my other family there)? My resources are, unfortunately, limited to online searching as I am in the US.
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 11 Nov 2013, 22:35

Could I trouble you for some help w/ Carmela's husband? Based on their marriage date, your legitimacy theory is probably correct. I have their marriage record and his birth record but can't seem to find anything on his parents.

Vincenzo Polimeo birth record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n476749651

Carmela and Vincenzo's marriage (was told that it says Vincenzo,son of Antonio & Providenza, And Carmela,daughter of Giovanni & Antonia, were married 16 Dec 1896)
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 12 Nov 2013, 01:11

Something is not right on the marriage record it says Vincenzo Polimeo age 23 son of deceased Antonio Polimeo and deceased Providenza Massimo
On the birth record it says Vincenzo Polimeo son of Antonio Polimeo age 47 and Providenza Bertino age 26 so I don't know what to say

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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 12 Nov 2013, 01:21

I didn't notice that. Hmm, interesting! Would he have used his birth record when he got his marriage? If not, it could be possible that since she was deceased, maybe he got the last name wrong? I have marriage records (from the u.s., 1900-earlier) where names don't quite match other marriages/death records. I would think the the birth record would be the more accurate one.
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 12 Nov 2013, 01:32

Marriage of Antonio Polimeo and Providenza Massimo
INDEX#55
1872 July 27th in the town of Castelbuono appeared Antonio Polimeo age 29 born and resides in Castelbuono parents ignoto(unknown) and Providenza Massimo age 24 born and resides in Castelbuono parents ignoto(unknown)

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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 12 Nov 2013, 01:48

Birth record of Antonio Polimeo 1844 June 5th in the town of Castebuono parents unknown

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Birth record of Providenza Massimo 1848 May 28th in the town of Castebuono parents unknown

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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 12 Nov 2013, 02:05

So it looks like the marriage record is the correct one. Are their birth records different (than Vincenzo's) b/c it was just a different form or were they abandoned/adopted? Sorry to ask so many questions.....I'm new w/ Italian records.
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 12 Nov 2013, 02:11

auntfeffie13 wrote:So it looks like the marriage record is the correct one. Are their birth records different (than Vincenzo's) b/c it was just a different form or were they abandoned/adopted? Sorry to ask so many questions.....I'm new w/ Italian records.


No they are before 1866 so they are split records left side civil right side church info

HERES A LINK TO A TRANSLATION OF THAT TYPE OF BIRTH RECORD
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby auntfeffie13 » 12 Nov 2013, 02:24

Thanks so much for your help! I wonder how they could record a birth record w/ no parents though.....I was trying to zoom in on the bottom of his record but all I could make out was 'un bambino nata' (a baby boy was born?)
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Re: Carmela Cusimano, Castelbuono

Postby adelfio » 12 Nov 2013, 02:58

Found these in the marriage allegati of Castelbuono
Birth record of Giovanni Cusimano
1849 March 13th in the town San Mauro Castelverde birth of Giovanni Cusimano son of Giuseppe Cusimano age 33 (1816)and Carmela Scacciaferro age 30 (1819)

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Birth record of Antonia Papa
1850 Jan 1st in the town of Castelbuono birth of Antonia Papa daughter of Vincenzo Papa age 28 (1822) and Concetta Mina age 27 (1823)
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