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what is this document? La Patria

Postby jkwaszak » 07 Jan 2014, 23:18

can anyone decribe in detail what this document is about? Thanks.
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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby erudita74 » 08 Jan 2014, 15:04

jkwaszak wrote:can anyone decribe in detail what this document is about? Thanks.



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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby suanj » 08 Jan 2014, 17:34

Hi, the image is very small, however what I understand that is a payed ship's ticket from Italy to New York port;
italian shipping company: La Patria ...
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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby jkwaszak » 08 Jan 2014, 18:53

Hello, thanks for the replies so far. I have attached a larger jpg file. Hopefully this one is better. Someone told me this was a ticket also, but I cannot find a crossing for either name on the document. The passenger is suppose to be Francisco Dolce I researched the Patria and found it was scrapped in 1905. The dates on this ticket are both 1906. I tried Ancestry.com and no luck. Any further help understanding this document and find the voyage for Francisco will be appreciated. Thanks,
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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby erudita74 » 08 Jan 2014, 20:23

The ticket says it is a third class ticket for Francesco Dolce from NY to Camden NY (which is in upstate NY)-good for one adult passenger older than age 12.

Fabre Line's ship La Patria was only built in 1913 and made trips from the Mediterranean between there and NY from 1913 to the early 1930s. So the date on the ticket (dated in Naples, Italy Nov 13, 1906) does not appear to have anything to do with his actual arrival date in the U.S. Is there any other info you can provide us with concerning this person to help us locate him on a passenger list?

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Edit: after further investigation, I believe that La Patria, as written on this ticket, was the name of the Italian Maritime Transport Company, and not to the name of the steamship on which he sailed. The Fabre ship which sailed and arrived in NY on Nov 28, 1906 was the Madonna and there is a Francesco Dolce on that ship, but his destination was to Philadelphia. Originally the manifest read NY, but then was changed to Phil. Pa. I am thinking that perhaps the ticket was meant to read Camden, NJ and not Camden, NY, as that city is across the water from Phillie. That Francesco though was traveling with his sister Serafina Dolce and her two children going to her husband with the D'Alaimo surname in Phillie. He was from Accettura and had been born abt 1884, so perhaps she had been issued her own ticket which included her two children to use from the port of NY to Camden.


First Name: Francesco
Last Name: Dolce
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Accettura
Date of Arrival: Nov 28, 1906
Age at Arrival: 22y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Madonna
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0017

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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby suanj » 08 Jan 2014, 22:18

now that the image is more large, it is no a ticket for payed trip, but it is a receipt abt payed ticket ( maybe by a travel agency), that was to be presented and pick-up the ticket for the travel New York-Camden; as Erudita said also La Patria was the name of Italian Maritime Transport Company served by Fabre steamships...
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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby jkwaszak » 10 Jan 2014, 01:40

Hello, thank you so much for the info. I was able to find Francisco the boat and on the 1920 Federal census of America. I am still trying to find his sister on any census in America. Do you know what Serafina might translate to in America? I could not find her or her children under her married name. I could not find any Nicola's either. I will keep looking.

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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby suanj » 10 Jan 2014, 06:03

Hi,
on the ship's manifest found by erudita74, Francesco Dolce travelling with sister Serafina Dolce and her children: Giuseppe D'ALAIMO and Rosina or Paolina ( or so, it is unreadable) D'ALAIMO.
Serafina joining at husband Nicola D'ALAIMO
First Name: Serafina
Last Name: Dolce
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Accettura
Date of Arrival: Nov 28, 1906
Age at Arrival: 29y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Madonna
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0018

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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 10 Jan 2014, 09:36

suanj wrote:Hi,
on the ship's manifest found by erudita74, Francesco Dolce travelling with sister Serafina Dolce and her children: Giuseppe D'ALAIMO and Rosina or Paolina ( or so, it is unreadable) D'ALAIMO.
Serafina joining at husband Nicola D'ALAIMO
First Name: Serafina
Last Name: Dolce
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Accettura
Date of Arrival: Nov 28, 1906
Age at Arrival: 29y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Madonna
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0018

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018
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Hi Suanj

I looked at the manifest and I thought the little girl's name was Palma. Then I searched a little further and it is actually Balina, so it would seem:

Balina D’Alaimo was aged 7 years old (1899)
Given Name Balina
Surname D'Alaimo
Last Place of Residence Accettura
Event Date 28 Nov 1906
Age 7y
Nationality Italy S. Italian
Departure Port Naples
Arrival Port New York
Gender Female
Marital Status S
Citizenship Status
Ship Name Madonna

https://familysearch.org/search/record/ ... Ad'alaimo~

Giuseppe D’Alaimo was aged 4 years old (1902)

Given Name: Giuseppe
Surname: D'Alaimo
Last Place of Residence: Accettura
Event Date: 28 Nov 1906
Age: 4y
Nationality: Italy S. Italian
Departure Port: Naples
Arrival Port: New York
Gender: Female
Marital Status: S
Citizenship Status:
Ship Name: Madonna

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JF63-BM4

I've just noticed they have Giuseppe's gender as female?

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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby suanj » 10 Jan 2014, 09:56

Palma make sense... Palma is the right first name!
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Giuseppe Antonio D'Alaimo

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 10 Jan 2014, 11:47

suanj wrote:Palma make sense... Palma is the right first name!
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Hi Suanj

I wasn't convinced about the name Balina. Too bad her birth record isn't on line to confirm. Anyways I've had a little time on my hands and here is Giuseppe's Birth record:

(I’ve done this translation very quickly so please check it over. I have a cake in the oven to check on.)

BIRTH RECORD GIUSEPPE ANTONIO D’ALAIMO
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Born Accettura, Matera, on 6 JUNE 1902 AT 7 (A.M.?)
FATHER: FRANCESCO NICOLA D’ALAIMO, AGE 25, (1877) PEASANT FATHER
MOTHER SARAFINA FILOMENA DOLCE, FRANCESCO’S WIFE, LADY OF THE HOUSE
Address: Bione ?
Definitely a male babe :)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n752119025

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TO THE POSTER: (sorry I don't know your name): I had a look for a a Census record as well but couldn't find anything. Good luck with the rest of your search.

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Postby suanj » 10 Jan 2014, 12:22

great find Angela!
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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby erudita74 » 10 Jan 2014, 12:45

Great find, Angela. The street in the Accettura birth record is Rione Torre. I know it looks like a B at the beginning, but the street still exists.

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Possible Passenger Record - Francesco D'Alaimo

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 10 Jan 2014, 20:34

Thank you Suanj and Erudita.

I also came across this Passenger Record and am wondering whether it might actually be Francesco (Nicola) D’Alaimo’s. It has possibly been data-entered incorrectly – understandably as the name isn’t really very clear. This Francesco is from Accettura on his way to Phili to visit ? Rocco ? (well that is what I understand). His age does differ slightly?

I'll post the link here for you to consider:

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 2704080466
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018

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Re: what is this document? La Patria

Postby suanj » 10 Jan 2014, 22:42

It could be the right Francesco (Nicola) joining at brother Rocco Pietro ( D'Alaimo) in Philadelphia...
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