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Researching Dates Before Stato di Civile Records

Postby maple62 » 30 Apr 2005, 23:55

Hi,

Can anyone suggest or help me with regards to tracing back even further? The State Civil Records for San Mauro Forte, Matera go back as far as 1810.

I'm assuming that I have to now get information from the individual churches in San Mauro Forte. Can anyone verify this or are there other means?

Also, I don't believe my surname of Dalaimo is typically Italian.....any suggestions as to where I might seek it's true origin?

Thanks in advance

Michael Dalaimo

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Postby JamesBianco » 01 May 2005, 05:50

I am in the same boat you are..... I can't get any further back either. I assume the church records exist, but from what I understand Priests in Matera and Isernia are really unfriendly

These are my San Mauro Forte ancestors:

Marc Antonio GINOSA, born 1764 in San Mauro Forte, Matera, Italia; died 11 July 1814 in San Mauro Forte, Matera, Italia. He was the son of Andrea GINOSA and Francesca Di NUZZI. He married 145. Lucia TROILO Abt. 1795 in San Mauro Forte, Matera, Italia.

Lucia TROILO, born 1774 in San Mauro Forte, Matera, Italia; died 20 October 1824 in San Mauro Forte, Matera, Italia. She was the daughter of Alessandro TROILO and Margherita PRIVINGANO.

Child of Marc GINOSA and Lucia TROILO is:
72 i. Alessandro GINOSA, born 22 February 1807 in San Mauro Forte, Basilicata, Italia; married Maria Grazia MAISTO 27 July 1854 in MacchiaD'Isernia, Campobasso, Molise, Italia.

What are your San Mauro names?
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Postby wldspirit » 01 May 2005, 05:51

If you have completed the civil records, you would then need to consult the parish records. The Lds may have microfilmed parish records available
for you to view. If the parish records have not been microfilmed you will need to write to the parish priest. Provide very specific information and include a donation for the parish. Parish records can go back as far as the 15th century or farther.

I highly recommend the book, "Italian Genealogical Records" by Trafford R. Cole. This book is a fast, easy read and explains record keeping in Italy as well as alternative record sources. He also gives a complete overview of who to write to and where. There are addresses included and sample letters as well.

Hope this helps,
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Postby JamesBianco » 01 May 2005, 06:13

wldspirit Thank you..
You are so helpful. Unfortunately the church records for San Mauro have not been filmed by the Mormon Church (well at least not released..I have seen towns filmed in 1999 that have not become available as microfilm until 2003). I have been warned several times by different people that writing to the Priests of Provincia Matera will not be well received. This seems to be a pattern in many areas of mainland Italy. It is very frustrating to many of us who know the records exist, but it is because of one man (the priest) that we may not trace our lines further. As far as specific dates, I for one don't have that information. The Stato records begin in 1808/1809/1810 We get our final ancestrial jump by finding the death of the oldest known ancestor in the earliest years of the Stato Deaths. We have a general idea by subtracting age at death from the year of the record, but this is often not the true age, varying by as much as 10 years in some cases. See our dilemma?

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Postby wldspirit » 01 May 2005, 06:32

I understand obtaining info's from parish priest is difficult, and sometimes impossible.....perhaps a letter to the priest inquiring if he knows of someone who can be paid to personally consult the records.........
other than that........you would need to consult them personally, which would require permission from the priest or the bishops office.

I only wish my town of origin was microfilmed......... :cry: I have no choice but to write request for info from Talamello.....or pay someone to obtain the documents for me. A trip to Italy is on the agenda....but I do not have the patience to wait until next year........thank god for suanj, my plan is to hire her for research soon.......

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Postby suanj » 01 May 2005, 11:22

maple62 wrote:Hi,

Can anyone suggest or help me with regards to tracing back even further? The State Civil Records for San Mauro Forte, Matera go back as far as 1810.

I'm assuming that I have to now get information from the individual churches in San Mauro Forte. Can anyone verify this or are there other means?

Also, I don't believe my surname of Dalaimo is typically Italian.....any suggestions as to where I might seek it's true origin?

Thanks in advance

Michael Dalaimo

About origin surname D'Alaimo (exact spelling) is italian surname very ancient derived from ALAIMO first name very usual in Middle Age; also before, are trace of an noble man, the conte (count) Alaimo of Lentini (Sicily) in 1200; so in the years course are added the Di word = Di Alaimo, that for italian language become D'Alaimo, meaning son of Alaimo..
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Postby maple62 » 01 May 2005, 17:36

Suanj - Thanks very much for your information regarding the possible origins of my Dalaimo surname. I will try to find time to research this line.

James - There are many names I'm researching for San Mauro Forte but for the time being the immediate ones are Dalaimo, Distefano (Di Stefano) and Diluca (Di Luca). The others include Contrastano, Tricarico, Dirocco
(Di Rocco) and Pierro.

As regards the church records I think the only way forward will be to initially write to the church or indeed a visit. Both my parents were born in San Mauro Forte and although they do go back, it's only every two years or so....

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Postby Essgee » 01 May 2005, 19:15

I think a lot of us are the in the same boat...know the info exists, but are unable to obtain it. However, don't blame the priest.

Oh, I know if he would spend his days doing our genealogy, we would have it made, but that is not HIS JOB. Some of the old records are not indexed. They are deteriorating, and he cannot sit there and go through all the old records everytime someone wants him to.....

If you go to the commune, you may not get to see the records either. They are in Latin and you have to be able to read Latin. From what I have been told, the priest won't let you just browse the books. You have to be more specific and you must prove that you are able to read the records. And then you may be limited to the number of volumes you can read on any one day.

You also need to make an appointment prior to your arrival.

If your parents return every couple of years, who do they know that might be able to help? What about a student in a local university or technical school that might be able to help for a small fee? Can you contact the town web site and see if you can find someone to help?

Since there appears to be more then one of you wanting the info, maybe you should advertize for others from this town who would like this information. Together, you might be able to hire a professional who can help, who can access the records for you. They are used to dealing with the situation and have the skills necessary to do the work.

Trafford Cole, whose book is mentioned in this thread, and his son Joel run a website and professional service for all of Italy. Maybe you could inquire what this type of research might cost. If the cost is defrayed among a number of you, it might be quite affordable. Just another possibility. The website is: http://expertgenealogy.com/?x=jmtc77

While we go and search every part of the world for our ancestors, people in countries our ancestors came from do not often understand our obsession with our roots...so we cannot expect them to make it their priority because it is ours.

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Postby JamesBianco » 01 May 2005, 19:48

Essgee wrote:I think a lot of us are the in the same boat...know the info exists, but are unable to obtain it. However, don't blame the priest.

I am sorry, but in some ways I cannot help it, when they refuse to let the records be professionally preserved (microfilmed etc), and they will not (in many cases) allow any kind of access.


Oh, I know if he would spend his days doing our genealogy, we would have it made, but that is not HIS JOB. Some of the old records are not indexed. They are deteriorating, and he cannot sit there and go through all the old records everytime someone wants him to.....

That is kind of an extreme example. In the case of an amateur genealogist visiting the town with no experience, I see your point. What I am referring to is a professional or experienced genealogist very familiar with this type of record and able to read latin proficiently. Some of the priests restrict access to native Italians themselves. As far as the deteriorating volumes, in many cases these books are in remarkable condition, and they are ALWAYS indexed categorically without exception unless something has happened to the index pages. In the days contemporary to those documents priests would have to access them quickly and often. I am sure you have seen and are aware of the Italian traditions and laws involving family documentation when a person is married.




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Postby itye » 16 Sep 2005, 15:23

Hi Maple,

both my parents are from San Mauro too, what are our parents called ?

Im planning a trip down to San Mauro for a few days to see if I can get some more info.

Not sure when yet

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Postby itye » 16 Sep 2005, 15:24

Oops mispealt the above, meant to say what are your parents' names

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Re: Researching Dates Before Stato di Civile Records

Postby rita » 18 Sep 2005, 02:56

In Brescia the Stato di civile records went back as far as 1771. I know the exact birthdate of my ggggrandfather now although he was not born in Brescia. But to go further back...?? I'm puzzled where to look for?? From what I understand on the forum I have to search at the church records. Where do I start then?? Can you help me with this??

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