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Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby Mirando-hulsey » 13 Feb 2014, 04:14

All I know is my great grandparents came to Ellis island from Italy. I have their names but not sure when they came or if they were married at the time of arrival. All their children were born in US. My grandmother being the oldest was born in 1909. I love to find out where they were from in Italy and more info on family if possible.

Here is what I know:

Great-Grandfather was Francesco Sergi Might have been from Messina

Great-Grandmother was Lucia Catina V. Michelezzi or could be spelled Michilezzi, I think she was from Messina

Thanks in advance for any help, tips or ideas on how I should start, Unfortunately on the Mirando side I have zero info and would not even know how to begin there

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 13 Feb 2014, 12:56

Hi, I found just:
Frank Sergi, "United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918"
Name: Frank Sergi
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Waterbury City no 1, Connecticut, United States
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Oct 1888
Birthplace: Marina, Messina, Italy
Nationality: Italy
Affiliate Publication Title: World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards
Affiliate Publication Number: M1509
GS Film number: 1561976
Digital Folder Number: 005206211
Image Number: 00483

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby adelfio » 13 Feb 2014, 16:10

If you can give us where Frank settled in the US it would help with the research for there are a few Frank Sergi

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 13 Feb 2014, 18:13

by 1911 directory the her first name was Agatina:
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Frank Sergi
Name: Frank Sergi
Gender: Male
Residence Year: 1911
Street address: 95 Griggs
Residence Place: Waterbury, Connecticut
Spouse: Agatlna Sergi
Publication Title: Waterbury, Connecticut, City Directory, 1911

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 13 Feb 2014, 18:45

arrival..?


First Name: Catina
Last Name: Micalizri (Micalizzi)
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Guidomandri
Date of Arrival: Jul 02, 1907
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Italia
Port of Departure: Messina
Manifest Line Number: 0004

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0004
born in Guidomandri, final destination Waterbury CT, joining at brother Giuseppe Micalizzi

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby Biff83 » 13 Feb 2014, 18:57

Mirando-hulsey wrote: Unfortunately on the Mirando side I have zero info and would not even know how to begin there

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Brenda,

Let us know whatever you do about the Mirando side--your parents' names, grandparents' names, where they lived (I'm guessing Waterbury CT area same as Sergi's), anything which might give us some clues to trace back further. I did locate a couple of Mirando WWI Draft Registrations which showed place of birth as San Valentino Torio in the province of Salerno.

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby Biff83 » 13 Feb 2014, 19:59

1907 manifest for Francesco Sergi, on same vessel with same arrival date and same destination as wife Catina Micalizzi. Last residence and place of birth Itala, province of Messina. Based on suanj's WWI Draft Reg find, he was likely born in the frazione of Itala Marina in the comune of Itala.

Ancestry image-mislinked on Ellis Island site. Line 3

http://interactive.ancestry.com/7488/NY ... turnRecord

Located the mislinked image on Ellis Island site. Line 3

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0004

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby adelfio » 13 Feb 2014, 22:50

Nice work Biff
POSSIBLE BIRTH RECORD
INDEX #68
1888 Oct 11th in the town of Marina frazione of Itala birth of Francesco Sergi son of Santi Sergi age 23 and Grazia Ciatta

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1396046788

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby adelfio » 13 Feb 2014, 23:24

Heres the 1907 age publication of Francesco Sergi age 18of Santi Sergi and Grazia Ciatta
and Catena Micalizzi born in Pellero?? daughter of Angelo Micalizzi and Vincenza ????????lived in Guidomandri

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby Mirando-hulsey » 14 Feb 2014, 05:51

WOW....thats all I have. You all are amazing. I have searched for so long....and kept going in circles.My Great-Grandmother's name is listed so many ways on what little I have here. I have my grandmothers birth certificate and it said Lucia Catina, however I did find a mass card where it is listed as Agatina and I wasn't sure it was the same. In the links to Frank's birth, his mother isl listed as Grazia and that was the name of my grandmother (Franks and Agatina's daughter). I apreciate all you have found.

The Mirando side would have settled in Waterbury. My grandfather's name was William Mirando and he had many brothers. I am not sure of his fathers name. My Dad's name is John Mirando.
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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 14 Feb 2014, 07:07

Mirando-hulsey wrote:WOW....thats all I have. You all are amazing. I have searched for so long....and kept going in circles.My Great-Grandmother's name is listed so many ways on what little I have here. I have my grandmothers birth certificate and it said Lucia Catina, however I did find a mass card where it is listed as Agatina and I wasn't sure it was the same. In the links to Frank's birth, his mother isl listed as Grazia and that was the name of my grandmother (Franks and Agatina's daughter). I apreciate all you have found.

The Mirando side would have settled in Waterbury. My grandfather's name was William Mirando and he had many brothers. I am not sure of his fathers name. My Dad's name is John Mirando.

Hi here the 1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census about John Morando
Name: John Morando
[John Moranno]
Age in 1910: 38
[29]
Birth Year: abt 1872
[abt 1881]
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Waterbury Ward 1, New Haven, Connecticut
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1886
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Victoria Morando
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Morando 38
[29]
Victoria Morando 29 b. IT- imm. 1889
Borands Morando 9 b. CT
Louis Morando 6 b. CT
Ernest Morando 3 b. CT
William Morando 2 b. CT
Katherine Morando 0 b. CT
[9/12]



1920 United States Federal Census about Joseph Mirando
Name: Joseph Mirando
[Joseph Merando]
[Joseph Miranda]
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Waterbury Ward 2, New Haven, Connecticut
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1888
[1898]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Victoria Mirando
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mirando 46
Victoria Mirando 37
Dominick Mirando 17
Louis Mirando 16
Ernest Mirando 13
Catherine Mirando 11
William Mirando 10
Joseph Mirando 8
Frederick Mirando 6
Jennie Mirando 2
[2 6/12]
Raymond Mirando 1
[1 1/12]

In 1920 census, the his first name is Joseph, but on other censuses the his first name was Giovanni/John; here 1900 census:
1900 United States Federal Census about Giovanni Mirando
Name: Giovanni Mirando
Age: 27
Birth Date: Feb 1872
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1900: Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1887
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members:
Name Age
Vincenzo Ferro 33
Salvatrice Ferro 33
Uberto Ferro 12
Pasquale Ferro 1
Giovanni Mirando 27
same discrepancy abt birth date; on 1900 census he was born on Feb 1872; on his WWI draft registration card he was born the 7 jun 1875, wife Victoria:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Joseph Mirando
Name: Joseph Mirando
City: Waterbury
County: New Haven
State: Connecticut
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1875
Race: White
Draft Board: 2


decesead between 1920-1930:
1930 United States Federal Census about William Miranda
Name: William Miranda
[Willian Marando]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Connecticut
Race: White
Home in 1930: Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Map of Home: View Map

Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's name: Victoria Miranda
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
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Household Members: Name Age
Victoria Miranda
48 widow
William Miranda
22

Catherine Miranda
20
Joseph Miranda
18
Alfred Miranda
16
Jane Miranda
13
Raymond Miranda
11

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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 14 Feb 2014, 12:33

I believe that

Giovanni/Giuseppe Mirando/Miranda was(maybe) born in Frosolone
possible arrival:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Guiseppe Marando
Name: Guiseppe Marando (MIRANDO)
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1890
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Elysia

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... &ml_rpos=2

travelling with Carmine Mirando 30 old....
just a suggestion...
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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby Mirando-hulsey » 14 Feb 2014, 15:17

Thanks, I asked my Dad if he could remember what his Grandfather's name was and he didn't remember but looked it up on his Dad's death certificate and it said John Mirando and wife's name of Victoria Mainella. My Grandfather's brothers would have been Ernie, Joe, Dominic, Fred and Babe(Raymond), Sisters were Catherine and Jane. He said Victoria remarried and had more children but he doesn't remember what her new husbands name was, possibly a brother of John. My Dad who was born in 1943, remembers visiting Victoria(his grandma) but never remebers a man being there.
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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 14 Feb 2014, 18:59

Hi, also Mainella is a surname of Frosolone... maybe the spouses coming from same birthplace...
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Re: Help! Trying to find info on great-grandparents

Postby suanj » 14 Feb 2014, 19:09

he was widowed in 1940 census:
1940 United States Federal Census about Victoria Miranda
Name: Victoria Miranda
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Hill Street
House Number: 199
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 1B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 19
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5000
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Victoria Miranda 57
Fred Miranda 26
Jane Miranda 22

I don't believe she remarried after 1940...
she died with the same name, so no remarried:
Connecticut Death Index, 1949-2001 about Victoria Mirando
Name: Victoria Mirando
Death Date: 15 Feb 1951
Death Place: Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Age: 70 Years
Birth Date: abt 1881
Marital Status: Widowed
State File #: 03192
Residence : Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut
Gender: Female
Race: White

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