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Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby DiBella » 05 Apr 2014, 18:05

Good Morning!

As with most of here, we've been working on our genealogy but have hit a point of confusion.
Records of our ancestor's last name don't all match up.
Gioachino DiBella married Giuseppa Tomasello (or Montebuore) and they had 4 children in Sicily.
I thought the name was maybe messed up on the marriage certificate but I think there’s something more going on here.

The following documents provide the most reliable information as far as we know.
Gioachino's petition for citizenship
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Declaration of Intention:
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Gioachino and Giuseppa (MONTEBUORE)’s marriage certificate
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363111501

Now Here are two birth certificates of their sons born in Italy:
Giuseppe: (TOMASELLO)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363235201
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363235201

Sebastiano: (MONTEBUORE)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363243101
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363243101

Now on their ship manifest records the name is Tomasello (starting line 25)
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Now are these even the same people? From what I can tell, yes, the dates and places match up. Now why would Guiseppa switch between last names of Tomasello and Montebuore? What was her real name? Her birth certificate would help but we haven’t been able to locate it.
Also, from the marriage certificate, did she not know her father?

This is a real stumper for us. We’ve never heard of something like this. May be we are mistaken and there is another option. That’s what we’d like to explore.

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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 05 Apr 2014, 18:32

Giachino Di Bella 24 old farmer, born and resident in Reitano ( son of late Agostino and living Sebastiana Lombardo) married in Reitano on 5 Aug 1893 at Giuseppa Montebuore ( or Montelcuore) 21 old, farmer, born in Mistretta resident in Reitano ( daughter of unknown father and of Maria Maddalena Montebuore resident in Reitano also)
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 05 Apr 2014, 18:42

abt the Giuseppa maiden name discrepancy, maybe she was officially recognized by father, after the marriage at Giachino di Bella.. if you know her birth date it is possible to search in Mistretta births.. maybe it could be some note on the bottom...
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby DiBella » 05 Apr 2014, 18:59

Hmm. We never considered that possibility of official recognition by her father. According to Giachino's citizenship papers, Giuseppa was born around 11/3/1874 or 1875 in Reitano but we haven't been able to find her birth record as of yet...

Nevertheless, thank you for the new perspective on the name discrepancy.

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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 05 Apr 2014, 21:10

Instead by marriage act she was born in Mistretta around 1872.... because she was 21 old in 1893...
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 05 Apr 2014, 21:21

Giuseppa Montelcuore or Montebuore( maybe Montelcuore right) was born in Mistretta on 2 Nov. 1871 #366 daughter of Maria Maddalena Montelcuore or Montebuore 23 old (daughter of late Giuseppe) and father unknown...
Giuseppa birth act
pag 1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363188401
pag 2 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363188401
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby DiBella » 06 Apr 2014, 04:27

Wow. Great sluthing, suanj! Thank you for finding her birth certificate. We never thought to make sure the dates on the marriage certificate match.

Hmm. That seems to bring up more questions about the name discrepancy; she switched between Monteluore and Tomasello through the years:
Marriage certificate (1893): Monteluore
1st child's birth (Guiseppe, 1903): Tomasello
2nd child's birth (Sebastiano, 1908): Monteluore
Ship manifest (1911): Tomasello
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Why would she switch between names? Maybe situational? The marriage and 2nd child certificates were in Reitano while the 1st child certificate was from Santo Stefano di Camastra. I wonder if that had something to do with it.

Still troubling about the name variation but we really appreciate finding the marriage certificate.

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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 06 Apr 2014, 07:03

maybe searching in Mistretta births -second part- from 1893 to 1903 it could be possible to find the her recognition by Tomasello father... also it could be possible that her mother married and the husband recognized Giuseppa... because she travelled under Tomasello maiden name, sure she was recognized officially.. maybe searching also in Reitano marriages ( Maria Maddalena was resident in Reitano also) it could be possible if was married ... and if so to find some further info...
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby Tessa78 » 06 Apr 2014, 20:08

Great finds, suanj! :-)

While I was searching for records that would help explain the two surnames for Giuseppa... I came across the birth records of the first 2 Di Bella children. The dates in the naturalization document were off just a bit... :-)

Sebastiana Carmela Di Bella (listed as "Carmela De Carne" in the Nat. Rec.)
Record #67 - in REITANO
Born 18 December 1897
Father: Gioacchino Di Bella
Mother: Giuseppa Montelcuore, his legitimate wife
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363225701


Giuseppe Di Bella
Record #42 - in SANTO STEFANO
Born 18 March 1903
Father: Gioacchino Di Bella
Mother: Giuseppa Tomasello, his legitimate wife
NOTE: The two witnesses to the record are Giovanni Tomasello, 40; and Sebastiano Tomasello, 21. Something to ponder! :-)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,363235201

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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby suanj » 06 Apr 2014, 21:36

Very interesting your find,Tessa!
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Re: Messed-up marriage certificate?

Postby DiBella » 09 Apr 2014, 00:17

Wow. Thank you so much, Tessa and suanj.
And thank you Tessa for finding Carmela's birth record. We had been searching quite a long time for it!
This is really starting to feel like a big family mystery. Unbelievable!
Well, that really is something to think about, Tessa. I guess what next is to find Giuseppa TOMASELLO's birth and marriage record.

So it's really starting to seem as if there were two wives in two separate towns.
Montelcuore, 1893 Marriage, Reitano
Montelcuore, 1897 Carmela born, Reitano
Tomasello, 1903 Giuseppe born, Santo Stefano di Camastra
Tomaselli(o), 1906 Agostino born, Santo Stefano di Camastra - we wrote to SS. di C. for his birth record
Montelcuore, 1908 Sebastiano born, Reitano

Sebastiano's Birth:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35751-19659-95?cc=2120739&wc=M7HX-WZQ:363107001,363868801,363243101

Giachino's Birth, for reference:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35750-28188-35?cc=2120739&wc=M7HX-7PF:363107001,363868801,363186901

Once again, thank you for the wonderful help and insight into this perplexing matter!

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