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need help with reading a death record

Postby carmenvalenziano » 22 Apr 2014, 00:48

i would appreciate if someone would translate this record for me

http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9d1a1-.jpg

if a woman dies - is she listed under her maiden or married name

on the trani records i save the index to my hard drive and view it from there

that way i don't have to deal with that annoying viewer

thanks

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby Tessa78 » 22 Apr 2014, 02:28

carmenvalenziano wrote:i would appreciate if someone would translate this record for me

http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9d1a1-.jpg

if a woman dies - is she listed under her maiden or married name [b]MAIDEN NAME


on the trani records i save the index to my hard drive and view it from there

that way i don't have to deal with that annoying viewer

thanks

carmen

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The translation...
Record #135
Dated 21 March 1871 at the town office at 11 AM
Before the official ….. in Trani….
Appeared Giambattista Laprete of deceased Benedetto, age 54, shoemaker; and Michele Magnetti of deceased Francesco, age 48, laborer; both residing in Trani,
to declare the death this morning, the 21st of the aforesaid month at 7 AM at the home of Giusppe Mastromauro in this town at Strada Porta di Barletta; died Antonio Valenziano, 52, peasant farmer born and residing in Trani; son of deceased married couple Nicola Valenziano and Maria Giuseppe Palmieri; husband if deceased Anna Lucia d’Oria who resided here.
Only the official signed the record

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby carmenvalenziano » 25 Apr 2014, 20:41

hi tessa

i didn't think this was the correct one because i had antonio's father's name as bartolo - but when i looked closely at antonio's permission to marry

http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg

it does say nicola and right before lucia is the name anna

spent the last two days fixing files

http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 0gv_g.html

thank you

:)

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Apr 2014, 23:33

Hi Carmen :-D

Yes, I can see why you read his father's name as Bartolo... that is why we always like to verify with other records... - FYI - this is not a "permission" but rather a "Solemn Promise to Marry"

AND... nice job your your files!

However, Mother is Maria Giuseppe Palmieri in both records - with an "e" not an "a" - much clearer in the death record.

T.

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby liviomoreno » 26 Apr 2014, 07:56

In this document:

http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg

Antonio Valenziano was born June 15, 1819

The bride is Anna Lucia d'Oria, born March 21, 1827
Father: Giuseppe d'Oria, who was a cab driver (di condizione vetturale)
Mother: Maria "di Martino"

Anna Lucia's birth record is available here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0 she was baptized on March 25. Her mother was 28 yo and her father was 31.

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Postby liviomoreno » 26 Apr 2014, 08:24

This Antonio's birth record: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
his mother name is Maria Giuseppa

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby Tessa78 » 26 Apr 2014, 15:36

liviomoreno wrote:This Antonio's birth record: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
his mother name is Maria Giuseppa


Yes, most clearly Maria Giuseppa in this birth record...
So death record is incorrect with Maria Giuseppe?

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby liviomoreno » 26 Apr 2014, 15:43

I would say that the death record is incorrect...

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby carmenvalenziano » 26 Apr 2014, 19:53

thank you tessa and liviomoreno

i'm redoing all my files now

i found this one - is it giuseppe valenziano - born june 19, 1850?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 8.jpg.html

terrible penmanship - but it looks like lucia d'oria on there

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby Tessa78 » 26 Apr 2014, 21:18

carmenvalenziano wrote:thank you tessa and liviomoreno

i'm redoing all my files now

i found this one - is it giuseppe valenziano - born [b]june 19, 1850
?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 8.jpg.html

terrible penmanship - but it looks like lucia d'oria on there

thanks

carmen[/b]


19 June 1850 at 3 PM
Before the official in Trani appeared Felicia Canalotti(sp?), 44, midwife, to present a male child born to Lucia d’Oria of Trani, age 24; and to Antonio Valenziano of Trani, her husband, age 29, peasant farmer residing at Vico ???, on the 19th of the month of June 1850 at 8 AM, at home.
The child was given the name Giuseppe..

NOTATION:
On 4 September 1880, act #145 in Trani, Giuseppe Valenziano of deceased Antonio, married with Marianna Calefato of deceased Vincenzo.

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Postby liviomoreno » 27 Apr 2014, 07:44

I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1753 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby Tessa78 » 27 Apr 2014, 14:49

liviomoreno wrote:I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1853 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)


You must have been very excited to have located that allegati so quickly - :lol:

Great find!

T.

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby liviomoreno » 27 Apr 2014, 15:44

Tessa78 wrote:
liviomoreno wrote:I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1853 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)


You must have been very excited to have located that allegati so quickly - :lol:

Great find!

T.

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby carmenvalenziano » 27 Apr 2014, 21:30

thank you liviomoreno - i was able to put birth years for vincenzo calefato and donata tito - i cannot understand why i cannot find their birth records or marriage - the closest i could find:

1842 #84
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 1.jpg.html

1820 #495
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 2.jpg.html

this is discouraging

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Re: need help with reading a death record

Postby carmenvalenziano » 27 Apr 2014, 21:34

i changed the spellings to the correct one and added the new information to marianna calefato - thanks tessa and liviomoreno


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