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Poggi family from Naples

Postby BeaPoggi » 25 Apr 2014, 13:09

Hello. I am looking for family members of my great great grandfather Giuseppe Poggi who came from Naples. I do not know his birth date but I am guessing that he would have lived in Naples sometime around 1860-1880. He left Naples and moved to London, marrying my great great grandmother Mary Lloyd. They ran a boarding school in London. Their son (my great grandfather) was named Richard Backwell, and my grandmother was Pauline Betty Backwell. I would love to know if I still have family in Naples.
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby adelfio » 25 Apr 2014, 15:02

Welcome to IG website
There is a Dominico Giuseppe POGGI on ancestry.com public trees user keithredfernhumphreys Birth 29 Aug 1811 in Montignoso, Toscana, Italy Death 15 Oct 1880 in Audlem, Cheshire, England wife is Marry L is this him

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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby BeaPoggi » 01 May 2014, 13:18

Thanks Marty. I am not sure. Some of the details are similar and some are different. Do you have any way of seeing if Mary Eliza Poggi, daughter of this Dominico Giuseppe Poggi married a Richard Backwell
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 01 May 2014, 15:09

adelfio wrote:Welcome to IG website
There is a Dominico Giuseppe POGGI on ancestry.com public trees user keithredfernhumphreys Birth 29 Aug 1811 in Montignoso, Toscana, Italy Death 15 Oct 1880 in Audlem, Cheshire, England wife is Marry L is this him

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Hi Marty here the 1861 census:

... J Poggi, "England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: ... J Poggi
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Italy
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub-District: 3 Wallasey
Ecclesiastical Parish: St James
Parish: Liscard
Residence County: Cheshire
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 01 May 2014, 15:11

BeaPoggi wrote:Hello. I am looking for family members of my great great grandfather Giuseppe Poggi who came from Naples. I do not know his birth date but I am guessing that he would have lived in Naples sometime around 1860-1880. He left Naples and moved to London, marrying my great great grandmother Mary Lloyd. They ran a boarding school in London. Their son (my great grandfather) was named Richard Backwell, and my grandmother was Pauline Betty Backwell. I would love to know if I still have family in Naples.

Hi if Giuseppe Poggi was the father of Richard.. as it is possible that Richard don't had Poggi
surname, but Backwell??
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby BeaPoggi » 03 May 2014, 08:49

I was presuming Richard Backwell was Giuseppe's son, but perhaps Richard Backwell married one of Giuseppe's daughters. Would explain the name change.
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 03 May 2014, 11:43

if this my find is right:
... J Poggi, "England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: ... J Poggi
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Italy
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub-District: 3 Wallasey
Ecclesiastical Parish: St James
Parish: Liscard
Residence County: Cheshire
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by England, Cheshire, Register of Electors, 1842-1900 the his full name was: Dominic Joseph Poggi
but he in 1861 no lived in London.. but in Cheshire...
in 1861 the children was:
Mary E Poggi b. 1849 Seacombe, Cheshire -daughter
Harriet E Poggi b. 1855 New Brighton, Cheshire- daughter
Charles G Poggi b. 1850 Seacombe, Cheshire -son
William E Poggi b. 1857 New Brighton, Cheshire -son
Godfrey Eustace Poggi b. abt 1860 New Brighton, Cheshire -son

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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby BeaPoggi » 03 May 2014, 14:14

Godfrey Eustice is my relative. This is my family. I will start a new thread on this website based on this new corrected information. Thank you very much everyone for your help. I am on the right path now.
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 03 May 2014, 18:13

good idea; you can add also the marriage record:

Dominico Joseph Poggi, "England, Cheshire, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1606-1900"

Name: Dominico Joseph Poggi
Event Type: Intended marriage
Event Date: 30 Dec 1847
Event Place: Cheshire, England
Residence Place:
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Marital Status:
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Mary Lloyd Godfrey
Spouse's Residence Place:
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film number: 1894809
Digital Folder Number: 4018668
Image Number: 1768


Dommico Guiseppe Poggi, "England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index, 1837-1920"

Name: Dommico Guiseppe Poggi
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1848
Registration District: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 20
Page: 227
Line Number: 23



and death record:

Dominic Joseph Poggi, "England and Wales, Death Registration Index, 1837-1920"

Name: Dominic Joseph Poggi
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1880
Registration District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Event Place: Nantwich, Cheshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 69
Birth Year (Estimated): 1811
Volume: 8A
Page: 215
Line Number: 133


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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 03 May 2014, 18:25

in 1861 the children was:
Mary E Poggi b. 1849 Seacombe, Cheshire -daughter
Harriet E Poggi b. 1855 New Brighton, Cheshire- daughter
Charles G Poggi b. 1850 Seacombe, Cheshire -son
William E Poggi b. 1857 New Brighton, Cheshire -son
Godfrey Eustace Poggi b. abt 1860 New Brighton, Cheshire -son

more children:
Joseph J Poggi b. 1854 Seacombe, Cheshire -son
Mary B Poggi b. 1859 New Brighton, Cheshire -daughter
Josephine Louisa Poggi b. 1851 Seacombe, Cheshire-daughter
George Artingstall Poggi b. 1862 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby suanj » 03 May 2014, 18:27

1881 census:
Mary L Poggi, "England and Wales Census, 1881"

Name: Mary L Poggi
Age (Original): 55
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1826
Birthplace: Chalteam, Kent, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: School Matron
Address: 5 Waterloo Rd
Event Place: Birkdale, Lancashire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341896
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3746 / 63
Page Number: 26
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Mary L Poggi F 55 Chalteam, Kent, England
Son Godfrey E Poggi M 20 New Brighton, Cheshire, England
Daughter Henrietta E Poggi F 26 New Brighton, Cheshire, England
Son George Poggi M 18 New Brighton, Cheshire, England
Son Herbert Poggi M 14 Italy (??)
Boarder Richard Latham M 15 Brazil
Boarder Rawson Duke M 14 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Boarder William Duke M 11 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Boarder John Duke M 8 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Boarder William Clegg M 12 Gantwich, Cheshire, England
Boarder Richard Boote M 10 Shavington, Cheshire, England
Boarder Ernest Thomson M 14 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Visitor Mary Radcliff F 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Tutor Charles Vodoz M 20 Germany
Servant Emma M Servis F 23 Kethy, Shropshire, England
Servant Katherine Kaire F 13 Ireland
Servant Abraham Moses M 17 South Africa

Herbert died very young:
Herbert Horace Poggi, "Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988"

Name: Herbert Horace Poggi
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 27 Mar 1884
Death Place: Merchant Marine, At Sea, Great Britain

Age: 19
Birth Date: 1865
Birthplace:
Occupation: Clerk
Race: White
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01717-6
System Origin: Great Britain-EASy
GS Film number: 1483317
Reference ID: sht 1095,pg312,ln 15

the mother's death:

Mary Lloyd Poggi, "England and Wales, Death Registration Index, 1837-1920"

Name: Mary Lloyd Poggi
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1895
Registration District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Event Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866): 70
Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Volume: 8B
Page: 397
Line Number: 277




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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby Danielle » 21 Aug 2014, 05:44

Bea, Richards surname was Donald. Granny Betty's maiden name was Blackwell xx :) I have been on the hunt today to find out some more information on our family history xx
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby cgpigott » 13 Sep 2014, 07:57

Giuseppe Domenico POGGI's daughter, Mary Eliza POGGI, married in Firenze, Toscano, on 1 Sep 1871, John Spurrell PODE, a Solicitor, from Plympton in Devonshire.
This marriage took place while Domenico & his family were living in Naples (between mid 1862 and mid 1871).
John & Mary PODE had 3 children In London (one daughter died in infancy), and in about 1875, John went to Chicago, where he died in 1892, having lived in Chicago and in Cheyenne, Wyoming. His widow Mary settled in New York, & was there in 1910, at Main street, East Hampton, Suffolk County, living with her daughter Mary Frances ANDREWS (aged 37), son-in-law James Stewart ANDREWS, & grandson Thomas S. ANDREWS (aged 16). Her son, Stephen Henry PODE, lived in Utica, Oneida County, N.Y., with his wife Sarah Grace BROWN, & daughter Thelma.
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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby cgpigott » 15 Sep 2014, 03:40

Giuseppe POGGI was born in Montignoso, Tuscany, in 1811, the eldest son of Marco POGGI, who is said to have been of a semi-aristocratic family in those parts (he was named in POGGI's 1848 marriage registration).
He entered the priesthood In Rome (1828-29), and became an ordained Dominican Priest, serving (1833) at a Convent in Viterbo, near Naples, before he left Italy in about 1840.
After a brief spell in France, apparently spending time "duelling" with the Jesuits as he began his journey away from Roman Catholicism, he served several Dominican causes in Uden in Holland, and Ghent in Belgium, before emigrating to England in Jan 1847, and joining the Anglicans.
Now using the additional name of Dominic (which he appears to have acquired on joining that order), he settled in Liverpool, where he met and (in Jan 1848) married Mary Lloyd GODFREY, a daughter of Dr Joseph James GODFERY (an eminent doctor who had gone north from Chatham in Kent, in about 1833) by his 2nd wife Mary Eliza GILES.
Later that year(1848) he re-opened "Seacombe House" in Cheshire - a school that had been opened in 1843 by his wife's uncle, Rev William GILES Jr (he was a Baptist, and was Charles DICKENS's first schoolmaster in Chatham).
In 1853, he transferred his school to New Brighton College, across the River Mersey from Liverpool, and conducted his school there until it burnt to the ground in 1862.
He then returned to the country of his birth, and went with his family to live in Naples, where he took in pupils for teaching, and boarders for income, as well as managing a bookshop for a fledgling Society set up to assist Priests who, like he had years before, had become disillusioned with the Vatican. They were difficult years, and it appears that he may have been forced to abandon his hereditary claims to the POGGI estates of his late father in order to be allowed to remain in Italy practising his "independent" religious convictions, as unpopular as he was with the Roman Church hierarchy. One of his daughters (Mrs Josephine CLARK of Crystal Lake, Pennsylvania) would later (1933) write that POGGI had been called into the presence of Victor Emmanuel the 1st and Pope Pius the 9th, who made a public declaration that "...there was to be no animosity against Rev Dr POGGI" for him having divergent opinions and having "...the courage of his convictions."
In mid 1871, he returned to England, and was appointed Headmaster of Audlem Grammar School, in Cheshire. He died there in 1880.
Domenico (as he signed his Allegation of Intention for a Marriage License in Dec 1847) & Mary had 9 children, a number of whom emigrated to America.

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Re: Poggi family from Naples

Postby cgpigott » 17 Sep 2014, 05:13

Godfrey Eustace POGGI (born 1861) was a younger son of Dr Domenico Joseph POGGI by his wife Mary Lloyd GODFREY.
By his wife, Beatrice Mary BODLEY, Godfrey had 5 children, four of them surviving in 1911, including one daughter residing with him at North Sheen, Surrey, in the 1911 Census.
She was Barbara Mary POGGI (born Birkdale, 1887), who married by License, at St Alban's, Acton Green, Ealing, Msx, on 28 Oct 1916, William Edgar BACKWELL (a son of Richard John BACKWELL, a Mathematical Instrument Maker).
It was they who had the daughter, born at Hammersmith, London, in 1917, named Pauline Betty BACKWELL.
When William Edgar BACKWELL died at Pinner, Msx, in 1943, administration of his effects was granted to Barbara Mary BACKWELL, the widow, and Pauline Betty DONALD (the wife of Richard John DONALD), undoubtedly the daughter (she had married DONALD at Hendon, Msx, in 1941).
It appears that Barbara BACKWELL emigrated to Auckland, New Zealand - probably to live near her married daughter.
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