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Postby rovern » 31 May 2014, 00:29

my mother was born 1898. her older sister and the first born 1864 both born in Guardavalle, province Catanzaro in Calabria. their father Domenico Carnovale. their mother Riitano. where can I search for their marriage and/or births. too many years ? thank you
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Postby erudita74 » 31 May 2014, 00:39

rovern wrote:my mother was born 1898. her older sister and the first born 1864 both born in Guardavalle, province Catanzaro in Calabria. their father Domenico Carnovale. their mother Riitano. where can I search for their marriage and/or births. too many years ? thank you



birth records from 1866 can be searched at the following link:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/i ... %3D2043789

There are birth records to 1860 at another link, but there are no earlier marriage records there.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... Catanzaro/

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,392290702

this should be your mother's birth record. Dated June 27, 1898 at 5:50 a.m. Her father Domenico was age 40 and a peasant/farmer. Her mother was Carmela Ritano. She was born on the 24th at 6:20 a.m. in the house at #10 via Santa Caterina.

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Postby adelfio » 31 May 2014, 01:53

You got something screwy you say her sister was born in 1864 Raffele Carnovale father Domenico age 40 in 1898 was born in 1858 according to the birth record and the surname of Caterina is Riitano

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Postby adelfio » 31 May 2014, 02:04

POSSIBLE birth record of Domenico Carnovale
INDEX#104
1858 Dec 6th in the town of Guardavalle birth of Domenico Carnovale son of Francesco Carnovale age 30 farmer and Concetta Origlia

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http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

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Postby rovern » 21 Jun 2014, 01:27

To Adelfio - Did you say I've got something scewey. you have the names twisted. DOMENICO CARNOVALE is the father. His first born was born in 1864. My mother, (which is another daughter was born in 1898. I was looking to find birth and/or marriage of Domenico and his wife, Caemela Ritano. Francesco Carnovale born in 1892. He never married.
I was trying to find birth or marriage of DOMENICO CARNOVALE and Carmela Ri-itano
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Postby Tessa78 » 21 Jun 2014, 01:44

rovern wrote:To Adelfio - Did you say I've got something scewey. you have the names twisted. DOMENICO CARNOVALE is the father. His first born was born in 1864. My mother, (which is another daughter was born in 1898. I was looking to find birth and/or marriage of Domenico and his wife, Caemela Ritano. Francesco Carnovale born in 1892. He never married.
I was trying to find birth or marriage of DOMENICO CARNOVALE and Carmela Ri-itano


According to this post by Erudita...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,392290702

this should be your mother's birth record. Dated June 27, 1898 at 5:50 a.m. Her father Domenico was age 40 and a peasant/farmer. Her mother was Carmela Ritano. She was born on the 24th at 6:20 a.m. in the house at #10 via Santa Caterina.

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Domenico was age 40 in 1898, making his birth year 1858 (see the birth record posted by Marty :-) )
If his "first born was born in 1864" as you stated.... he would be a father at age 6! :shock:
Can you see why Marty thought you might have something confused? :)

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Postby rovern » 21 Jun 2014, 18:34

I APOLOGIZE. I WROTE THE WRONG DATE DOWN. THEIR FIRST BORN CATARINA CARNOVALE WAS BORN NOVEMBER 25, 1885. THANK YOU FOR CALLING IT TO MY ATTENTION. I MUST BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN I WRITE DOWN DATES. THANK YOU
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Postby adelfio » 21 Jun 2014, 19:21

rovern wrote:I APOLOGIZE. I WROTE THE WRONG DATE DOWN. THEIR FIRST BORN CATARINA CARNOVALE WAS BORN NOVEMBER 25, 1885. THANK YOU FOR CALLING IT TO MY ATTENTION. I MUST BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN I WRITE DOWN DATES. THANK YOU


Actually Caterina Carnovale was born in 1884
INDEX#142
1884 Nov 27th in the town of Guardavalle in a house on via Caterina #12 birth of Caterina Carnovale daughter of Domenico Carnovale age 25 farmer and Carmela Ritano
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,392290702

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Postby liviomoreno » 21 Jun 2014, 19:47

adelfio wrote:
rovern wrote:I APOLOGIZE. I WROTE THE WRONG DATE DOWN. THEIR FIRST BORN CATARINA CARNOVALE WAS BORN NOVEMBER 25, 1885. THANK YOU FOR CALLING IT TO MY ATTENTION. I MUST BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN I WRITE DOWN DATES. THANK YOU


Actually Caterina Carnovale was born in 1884
INDEX#142
1884 Nov 27th in the town of Guardavalle in a house on via Caterina #12 birth of Caterina Carnovale daughter of Domenico Carnovale age 25 farmer and Carmela Ritano
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,392290702

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Domenico Carnovale and Carmela Riitano were not married...
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Re: birth and/or marriage records

Postby adelfio » 21 Jun 2014, 20:00

EDITED
Thank you Livio
You will have to look at the birth records and see if Camela Ritano is su moglie (legal wife) and work your way back through the marriage acts to find it
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Postby carmenvalenziano » 21 Jun 2014, 22:24

Erudita

thank you for posting catanzaro urls

i was able to find ancestors in magisano

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Re: birth and/or marriage records

Postby rovern » 22 Jun 2014, 19:58

I see it was posted that Domenico Carnovale and Carmela Ritano were not married at the time of birth. Maybe ? later on. To print those birth certificates will be hard to read. were the others (Livio, et ano also genealogist ?) thank you for this important information
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Postby adelfio » 22 Jun 2014, 20:08

rovern wrote:I see it was posted that Domenico Carnovale and Carmela Ritano were not married at the time of birth. Maybe ? later on. To print those birth certificates will be hard to read. were the others (Livio, et ano also genealogist ?) thank you for this important information
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Livio very good with Italian records
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Birth record of Caterina Carnovale
INDEX#142
1884 Nov 27th in the town of Guardavalle in a house on via Caterina #12 birth of Caterina Carnovale daughter of Domenico Carnovale age 25 farmer and Carmela Ritano

CLICK ON IMAGE TO ENLARGE RECORD
record-image (382).jpg


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Postby adelfio » 22 Jun 2014, 20:19

It seems that they were married between 1884-1898 its says on this birth record that Caterina Riitano was his wife(moglie) Do you know of any other children?
Birth record of Raffaela Carnovale
1898 June 24, 1898 in the town of Guardavalle in a house on via Caterina #12 birth of Caterina Carnovale daughter of Domenico Carnovale age 40 farmer and his wife Carmela Ritano
CLICK ON IMAGE TO ENLARGE RECORD
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Re: birth and/or marriage records

Postby rovern » 22 Jun 2014, 20:41

Did you mean that Catarina ? was his wife.
Domenico Carnovale and Carmela Ritano had 5 children. The first Catarina born 1884, 2nd, LUIGI 1890 (Killed in the war, third, twins Francesco and Raffaele born in 1890. Raffaele died 10 days after birth. then my mother, Raffaela born in 1898 and the last Assunta born in 1901.
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