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Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Jun 2005, 07:39

Hi everyone,
My great great grandfather Joachim Conti immigrated to Gettysburg PA with his French wife. They had 2 children and sailed from La Havre France in 1912. We just found out he had a brother Antonio Conti, who lived in Altoona PA and Cambridge MA. Have only been able to track them to Cambridge MA via the 1930's census. Don't know what happened after that. We've never had any contact with them.

Joachim Conti-husband
Louise Conti-wife
Andre Conti-son
Lili Conti (Hummel)-daughter

Looking for;
Antonio Conti-brother
Christina-wife
Harry-son
Albert-son
J or T ulco-son?
Joseph-son
Geraldine-daughter
Cinderella-daughter
Mollie-daughter

Have found Cinderellas SS index papers but that is about it. Don't know where they came from in Italy. Ellis Island's writting is something like Carbare or Coitare?

Thanks for any help! :D

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Jun 2005, 07:47

sorry approx date of birth:
Antonio-1874
Christina-1886
harry-1907
Albert-1910
?-1912
Joseph-1914
Geraldine-1916
Cinderella-1920
Mollie-1924

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby mfjp » 01 Jun 2005, 08:12

Here's Louise and Andre Conte's manifest (linking it here will help those willing to help you with this...)

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0346%2ETIF

Joachim's manifest
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0385%2ETIF

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby VaDeb » 01 Jun 2005, 08:21

Is this the manifest for Joachim? I don't see his wife listed with him.

pg 1
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0385%2ETIF

pg 2
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0887050025

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Jun 2005, 08:50

Thank you.
Yes, they came a few months apart and settled in Gettysburg PA. They were a very visable family in Gettysburg on Hanover St from 1912 -1940. Which is where I have done most of my research. Joachim was a stone cutter, tailor and fruit stand owner.

Joachim died in 1931 in Gettysburg, he was 60. Andre died in 1940, he was 35. And Louise died in 1953, she was 75. My grandmother was married to Andre and told us there were no other Conti family members in the USA. She would just write people out of her life. Then I saw Joachim's obit in Gettysburg and found out he had a brother in Cambridge MA.

I must do more research and figure out the French/Italian connection, why Gettysburg and figure out the Italian birthplace Coitare?

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby mfjp » 01 Jun 2005, 09:01

Not sure if he is yours...

Name:   Antonio Conti
Arrival Date:   13 Apr 1891
Estimated Birth Year:   1874
Age:   17
Gender:   Male
Port of Departure:   Le Havre, France
Destination:   New York
Place of Origin:   Italy
Ship Name:   La Normandie
Port of Arrival:   New York
Line:   45
Microfilm Roll:   565
List Number:   470

http://img173.echo.cx/img173/9527/conti0dv.jpg
(Castle Gardens manifest..)

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby suanj » 01 Jun 2005, 10:50

Hi: are interesting this record:
- Gioacchino CONTI in 1905, coming from Lyon/France age 35, so 1872 born as your Gioacchino .... first destination New York http://ellisisland.org/search/shipmanif ... 429080087; in second manifest of 1912 he declared that was in USA from 1904/1910

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Jun 2005, 22:32

Hi Sanj,
Thank you I think that is him. I am looking into it.

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Postby suanj » 02 Jun 2005, 08:11

cconti wrote:Hi Sanj,
Thank you I think that is him. I am looking into it.

Yes, I'm sure that is him...
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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 03 Jun 2005, 04:20

After my great great grandfather Joachim Conti (DOB approx. 1974) died in Dec 29, 1931 in Gettysburg Pa. papers were sent to the Italian and French consulates in Philadelphia, PA. Why would they have done this. I saw a paper that said a letter was sent to these 2 consulates. I did not make a copy of this statement but will do so in the future. In the Gettysburg Times it states that he was naturalized in 1920. I have not been able to find the nat. papers though. The 1930 census states he was NA. and his wife and son as well.

Joachim/Gioacchino Conti came to the USA from La Havre France in 1905, 1910 and finally in 1912 to live. His family joined him 2 mo. later in 1912. Louise(wife), Andre(son) and Liliy(daughter) was born here in Jan. 1913.

Thank you for any help you may have! :D Thanks VaDeb for your help.

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby VaDeb » 03 Jun 2005, 04:42

1. Regarding statement in the newspaper. Was the statement that he had been naturalized in 1920 written in an obit? Information contained in an obit isn't always accurate. Perhaps the informant thought he had been naturalized. I use obits as a guide, or pointer to primary sources. I would also search for a naturaliztion record after reading this. But, if the 1930 census says he is still an alien, this should be a more reliable source. The information came from (or should have) him or a family member.

Edit: I misread your post. The 1930 census lists him as NA or naturalized. Thus this does fit with the newspaper article. There must be naturalization papers somewhere. YOu can file a FOIA (freedom of information request) with the INS and get a copy of his naturalization papers. Have you tried the National ARchives for the record?

2. Been thinking about the report of the death to the consulate. In Italian vital records that I have gone through I have found records from the US. Example a marriage record from the church in NJ filed with the the Italian recods. I don't remember if it was with the Atti Diversi or in the Marriage acts themself. Perhaps the family felt it was important to report his death to the town in Italy he was from. Just speculation on my part. Hopefully Suanj will have an answer to this.

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Dec 2005, 00:15

Update

Joachim Conti (Gioacchino Contino)
DOB: approx. 1871, Italy
DOD: 12-29-1931, Hanover St. Gettysburg, PA.
Naturalized 1920, Gettysburg, PA.
Buried Evergreen Cemetery, Gettysburg, PA.

Louise Marie Remonde Conti
DOB: approx 1880, Marcy L'Etoile, France (on the manifest it states Lyon, France as last residence)
DOD: 9-7-1953, Easton or near Easton, PA.

Andre B. Conti
DOB: 1905, Marcy L'Etoile, France (on the manifest it states Lyon, France as last residence)
DOD: August 1940, Jefferson Hospital, Philadelphia, PA.
Buried Pottsville, PA.

Lili Louise Conti Hummel
DOB: February 17, 1913, Gettysburg, PA.
DOD: November 22, 2005, near Easton, PA

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby ricbru » 01 Dec 2005, 00:42

cconti wrote:Update

Joachim Conti (Gioacchino Contino)
DOB: approx. 1871, Italy
DOD: 12-31-1931, Hanover St. Gettysburg, PA.
Naturalized 1920, Gettysburg, PA.
Buried Evergreen Cemetery, Gettysburg, PA.

Louise Marie Remondy(sp?) Conti
DOB: approx 1880, France (on the manifest it states Lyon, France as last residence)
DOD: 1953, Easton or near Easton, PA.

Andre B. Conti
DOB: 1905, France (on the manifest it states Lyon, France as last residence)
DOD: August 1940, Jefferson Hospital, Philadelphia, PA.
Buried Pottsville, PA.

Lili Louise Conti Hummell
DOB: January 1913, Gettysburg, PA.
DOD: November 22, 2005, near Easton, PA


You say that Gioacchino was naturalized on 1920.
Request the copy of his naturalization record, there you find right date and place of birth, also many other infos,
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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby cconti » 01 Dec 2005, 05:02

Antonio Conti Update:

son Harry Conti:
DOB: 9-27-1907 MA. or PA.? Listed as both on 1920/30 census
DOD: 8-3-1985 SS Index
Last known residence: 02155 Medford, Middlesex, MA
SS issued: MA, before 1951

son Joseph Conti:
DOB: 6-11-1913 PA.
DOD: 3-25-2001 SS Index
Last known residence: 28370 Pinehurst, Moore, NC.
SS issued: MA, before 1951

daughter Cinderella Conti:
DOB: 3-31-1919 MA.
DOD: 3-2-1997 MA death Index, SS Index
SS issued: MA
death residence localities: Lexington, Middlesex, MA

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Re: Joachim Conti, Antonio Conti early 1900's

Postby brujaojos » 01 Dec 2005, 05:51

Hi There,

About the Naturalization Records, per the 1920 Census, it stated he Petitioned to become Naturalized. Per the 1930 Census, he was already Naturalized.

Call Adams County to find out how much it costs to get copies of the Naturalization Records and where you're supposed to write. Sometimes the Naturalization Records are held in the Archives of the County or the Historical Society of the County.

Register of Wills
Adams County Courthouse
111 Baltimore Street
Gettysburg, PA 17325-2312
(717) 334-6781

Adams County Historical Society
111 N. West Confederate Ave.
P.O. Box 4325
Gettysburg, PA
(717) 334-4723

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