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Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 08 Jul 2014, 03:32

Hi! I am looking for information about Giacomo Potenzone I (born abt 1815) from Messina, Italy - Delle Conceriels 497 No 27. He had 5 children - two of which I know:

1. Dominick Potenzone married to Rose - they had 4 children (one being Santo Potenzone born 10 March 1890 Messina Italy, died 18 June 1954 Belleville, New Jersey, USA)

2. Giuseppe Potenzone I - born about 1848 Messina Italy; died about 1919 Messina Italy - married to Anna Costa -- they had 10 children:
Giuseppe Jr.
Maria
Carlo
Lorenzo
Francesco
Giacomo II - born 14 March 1894; died 22 December 1970 - married to Antonia Giordano (b abt 1892)
Giovanni
Niccolo
Francesca
Ignazio

It seems Dominick emigrated to the US and Giuseppe stayed in Messina Italy. I am trying to find more information on Giuseppe and his family.

Any help and/or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 08 Jul 2014, 16:29

Do you have birth records for Santo Potenzone born 10 March 1890 Messina Italy and Giacomo II - born 14 March 1894? If you do can you post the page link to the record on familysearch.org from the records of Messina

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby suanj » 08 Jul 2014, 19:01

I searched in 1848 Messina births and I no found Giuseppe... by other way,
I found a court order of 1915 for absence in Messina of Santi Potenzone ( absent from 10 years) son of Domenico Potenzone( son of Vincenzo)
http://augusto.digitpa.gov.it/gazzette/ ... 1915176_FI
ditto in 1916
http://augusto.digitpa.gov.it/gazzette/ ... 1916177_FI
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 09 Jul 2014, 02:31

I do not have Santo's birth certificate but I have his draft card.
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 09 Jul 2014, 02:43

Santo arrived in New York from Naples in 1907 on the ship "Italia".

I was at a Potenzone family reunion over the weekend and received some stories from some of the older aunts and uncles about Santo but nothing I have been able to prove yet.

The Giuseppe Potenzone connection was given to me then as well but that too, I only have e-mails between some of the aunts and a few people in Italy dated back in 2012. I am trying to prove the information I was given. Today I actually found Giacomo III (Giuseppe's possible great great grandson) on Facebook and messaged him but I don't speak Italian so I am relying on an internet translator... and his good will.

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 09 Jul 2014, 17:00

Did some looking found him
Your Santo Potenzone son of Domenico Potenzone age 37 and Nunziata Rosa Barbera was born 1890 Mar 10th in S. Agata in Villaggi di Messina
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 09 Jul 2014, 18:54

Thank you so much for the information.
I really do appreciate the help!
I did not know of familysearch... I will definitely check that out.

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 10 Jul 2014, 03:06

Birth of Giacomo Potenzone
INDEX#4
1894 March 2nd in Sant Agata in Villaggi di Messina birth of Giacomo Potenzone son of Giuseppe Potenzone age 30 farm hand and Anna Costa sidenote says he married Antonina Giordano 1/23/1926
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 10 Jul 2014, 13:25

Marty,
So last night I followed your lead and started searching on familysearch.org. I guess I don't have to say, I am a beginner at researching. I spent a couple hours plugging in names and dates in different searches coming up with nothing. I know not to get discouraged, I know I am just not searching in the right way.

When I signed in this morning to find additional help from you, I was over joyed. I really appreciate it!! I also do not read Italian and rely on internet translation sites... So again, THANK YOU!!

Have a wonderful day!!
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 10 Jul 2014, 15:37

Your relatives lived in different parts of the villages of Messina which will make research more difficult because there are so many here they are
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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria: ... di_Messina

Here is the link to the records of the villages of Messina there are indexes in each town at the end of the year you are searching surname first. Unfortunately lots of the towns are all together in each year. So at the beginning of the year there is the name of the town and year you are searching and at the end is the index of that town. What I would do is start a book of the indexes page numbers of year page and towns name so you can go back for other names

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... %3D1967753

I found this in a morti index(death records) with a couple of your family members
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Death record of Carlo Potenzone
INDEX#7
1906 Recorded on the 20th died on Mar 19th in town of Ganzirri,in Villaggi di Messina in a house on via Pantano #813 death of Carlo Potenzone age 6 months BORN IN GANZIRRI son of Giuseppe Potenzone and Anna Costa
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Heres a link about the villages
http://josephinehardy.wordpress.com/vil ... 1866-1910/

ABOUT ITALIAN RECORDS TRY THE CLASS ONLINE
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... al_Records

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 11 Jul 2014, 03:56

Thank you once again!
The online class is wonderful.
I tried the other link but it seems there are a lot of people online. I will keep trying.
The document you posted now has me searching for more information on Maria... I have her father, Domenico, but I only had found 4 children & no Maria.
Your help has been amazing!
Thank you so much!!

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 11 Jul 2014, 16:41

Do you have more birth dates of the children?
I tried looking for Domenico(1853) and Giuseppe(1864) birth record no luck in Sant Agata Villaggi di Messina using their birth year on the childrens birth records

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 11 Jul 2014, 20:06

No unfortunately not yet but I am searching through familysearch.

I was told that Giacomo Potenzone II (who you found the birth record for... 2 March 1894) - he and Antonia Giordano had two sons: Francesco and Giuseppe II

Giuseppe Potenzone II supposedly married Maria _?_ and they had three sons: Giacomo III, Massimo and Salvatore.

Giacomo Potenzone III supposedly married Pergolizzi Letizia and they had two sons: Giuseppe III and Gregorio

I understand that this branch still lives in Italy. Unfortunately I am still working on dates.

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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby adelfio » 11 Jul 2014, 23:42

Heres how I found Francesca Maria Potenzone birth act
INDEX PAGE FOR NATI 1896 SANT AGATA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,253734001

Birth of Francesca Maria Potenzone
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1896 Aug 20th in Sant Agata in Villaggi di Messina birth of Francesca Maria Potenzone daughter of Giuseppe Potenzone age 32 farm hand and Anna Costa sidenote says she married Donato Letterio 1/22/1926 in Sant Agata
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Re: Potenzone from Messina Italy

Postby Carolynbateman » 13 Jul 2014, 04:40

Marty,
Thank you so much!! I am trying to follow your lead and find the others.
I really appreciate your help and instruction.
Carolyn


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