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Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby GiaccomoSF » 30 Jul 2014, 23:55

I'm not having any luck locating my Maternal Granfather's birth record. On all of his legal documents here in the US, he indicated his birth date & birthplace as: June 7, 1887 in Assergi, Italy. I have checked with L'Aquila & Assergi with no results. I can't seem to locate the stato civile for Paganica (which is another possible birth city).

John Lalli was the youngest of 7 children born to Alessandro Lalli & Orsola Acitelli - we think on June 7, 1887.

Giovanni Lalli è nato da Alessandro Lalli e Orsola Acitelli; la famiglia ha vissuto a Paganica e Assergi. E’ possibile che il mio nonno sia nato a Paganica, Assergi o San Pio delle Camere, non sono sicuro.

Mio nonno era il più giovane di sette figli; ed è nato il 7 giunio 1887; Antonio era il figlio maggiore; poi in ordine di nascita: Teresa, Raffaele, Giambattista, Angelo, Elisabetta, Giovanni (mio nonno).

If anyone can be of assistance - I would be so grateful.

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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby Tessa78 » 31 Jul 2014, 17:28

GiaccomoSF wrote:I'm not having any luck locating my Maternal Granfather's birth record. On all of his legal documents here in the US, he indicated his birth date & birthplace as: June 7, 1887 in Assergi, Italy. I have checked with L'Aquila & Assergi with no results. I can't seem to locate the stato civile for Paganica (which is another possible birth city).

John Lalli was the youngest of 7 children born to Alessandro Lalli & Orsola Acitelli - we think on June 7, 1887.

Giovanni Lalli è nato da Alessandro Lalli e Orsola Acitelli; la famiglia ha vissuto a Paganica e Assergi. E’ possibile che il mio nonno sia nato a Paganica, Assergi o San Pio delle Camere, non sono sicuro.

Mio nonno era il più giovane di sette figli; ed è nato il 7 giunio 1887; Antonio era il figlio maggiore; poi in ordine di nascita: Teresa, Raffaele, Giambattista, Angelo, Elisabetta, Giovanni (mio nonno).

If anyone can be of assistance - I would be so grateful.

Cheers,
Jim Masciocchi


Hello Jim,

Paganica is a frazione (hamlet) of L'Aquila. So the address would be the same as Comune of L'Acquila, I believe.

Do you have the arrival manifest for John/Giovanni? Can you post it?

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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby adelfio » 31 Jul 2014, 17:52

Records of Paganica are online on familysearch.org I looked for that date June 7,1887 did not find the birth record heres the index 1887 Paganica births
PG LINK TO BIRTH INDEX 1887 PAGANICA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349758501

PG LINK TO BIRTH INDEX Indici decennali 1886-1895 L'Aquila 2 pages Lalli
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349697403

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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2014, 11:29

Hi, I know that Assergi was a hamlet of ex-Camarda town;
births in Assergi:
from jan 1887 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349631401
1887 Assergi birth index
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349631401

nobody Giovanni Lalli
1886 Assergi birth index https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349631401
nobody Giovanni Lalli
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Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2014, 11:58

1888 Assergi birth index
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349631401

1885 Assergi birth index
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349631401
maybe he was not born in Assergi... or his Birth year is wrong....
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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2014, 22:20

a possible clue:
in 1906 a Raffaele LALLI immigrated in USA

First Name: Raffaele
Last Name: Lalli
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Pagacuco (PAGANICA)
Date of Arrival: Jul 16, 1906
Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Citta di Torino
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0023
joining at uncle Francesco/Franco Mosca in Philadelphia,PA

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0023

after some month the son:

First Name: Alessandro
Last Name: Lalli
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Paganica
Date of Arrival: Jan 18, 1907
Age at Arrival: 9m Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Moltke
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0004
with mother Giulia DI Pasquale also immigrated and joining at Raffaele Lalli
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0004

I believe that Raffaele Lalli was a brother of your Giovanni Lalli..
Giovanni Lalli arrival:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1921483
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1921481
coming from Paganica and joining at uncle Franco Mosca in Philadelphia, PA

Because the Giovanni birth record is no in Assergi births as a well in Paganica... but however Giovanni Lalli, Raffaele Lalli, Giulia Di Pasquale Lalli and little Alessandro Lalli all coming from Paganica, surely.. Paganica was the last residence of all.. maybe Raffaele married in Paganica also...
so I searched in Paganica marriage and I found :
Paganica 28 Jan 1904 #5
Raffaele LALLI 24 old single, farmer, born in L'Aquila, resident in Tempera (hamlet of Paganica) son of late Alessando (residing in the life in ASSERGI)and of living Orsola Acitelli resident in Tempera

married at
Giulia DI PASQUALE 22 old proprietor, born in Paganica, resident in Paganica daughter of Luigi and of Bernardina Ferello both resident in Paganica

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349760701
Bacause Giovanni is no born in Assergi, also no born in Paganica, Marty checked in L'Aquila and no luck.. maybe Giovanni was born near these place.. the uncle, Franco Mosca, I believe that coming from San Giovanni... however I will search...
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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby suanj » 05 Aug 2014, 17:12

well after deep search in some Commune in l'Aquila province and no luck, finally I found the 1910 census:
John Lalli with brother

John Lalli in household of Ralph Lalli
United States Census, 1910
Name: John Lalli
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1910
Event Place: West Brownsville, Washington, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Brother
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Brother
Birth Year (Estimated): 1887
Birthplace: Italy
Immigration Year: 1906
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Ralph Lalli
Head M 31 Italy
Julia Lalli
Wife F 30 Italy
Alexander Lalli
Son M 4 Italy
Amunigo Lalli
Son M 1 Pennsylvania
Julian Lalli
Son M 0 Pennsylvania
John Lalli Brother M 23 Italy
Patsy Ramanelli
Boarder M 19 Italy
Dominick Pavrock
Boarder M 24 Italy

and finally I found the
his WWI draft registration card

Name: John Lallyr
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Somerset County no 2, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Nationality: Italy
Birth Date: 07 Jun 1887

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1968530
born in FOSSA and NO in Assergi!

Fossa 7 Jun 1887 #28

Birth registration of
Giovanni Lalli son of Alessandro Lalli 53 old, miller domiciled in Camarda and of Orsola Acitelli 37 old housewife

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,349684502
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Postby adelfio » 05 Aug 2014, 17:52

Suanj Prego!! e baci e abbracci
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Postby suanj » 05 Aug 2014, 21:23

adelfio wrote:Suanj Prego!! e baci e abbracci
I bow to you, Queen of IG
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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby GiaccomoSF » 07 Aug 2014, 23:10

GRAZIE!!!!!!

Thank you all so very much. I truly, TRULY appreciate all your assistance.

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Re: Looking for Grandfather's Birth Record: Giovanni Lalli

Postby lallipop » 25 Aug 2016, 16:37

not sure if it helps but my grandfather john m lalli sr was born in bonifreo Italy youngest sibling 25 years laetre than his oldest brother whom settled in New ROCHELLE NY married to paulina onorato who was born in abbruci He worked at the new York athletic club and had four sons john m lalli martin g lalli ron lalli and Robert lalli


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