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Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 16:20

I am attempting to find a birth record for my Great-Great Grandfather Charles (Carlo) Leonardo Mormino. According to his death certificate (from IL in 1935) he was born in Termini Imerese around 1890 (although other documents point to anywhere between 1887-1890). The handwriting on the record is pretty bad but it looks like his father's name was Carmen and his mother's name was Rose. Unfortunately I have not been able to find any records with the actual day he was born.

I've tried looking in the ten year index for Termini Imerese from that time but haven't been able to locate his name. Does anyone know if that means that he was not born in Termini Imerese? I just don't want to waste time going through all the micro films for those years for Termini Imerese if it's pretty certain he wasn't born there. Thanks in advance for any help!

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby suanj » 10 Sep 2014, 17:53

hi
by naturalization seeming born in Termini Imerese:
Record Details for Volume 159

Page Number: 476
Declaration Number: 78076


FIRST NAME LAST NAME OCCUPATION
CHARLES MORMINO TEAMSTER ( maybe Calogero Mormino also possible italian name...normally the sicilians changed the first name Calogero in Charles )

BIRTH CITY BIRTH COUNTRY BIRTH DATE
TERMINI ITALY 9/15/1887

CURRENT ADDRESS CURRENT CITY
1371 W. GRAND AVE. CHICAGO

DEPARTURE LOCATION ARRIVAL DATE DECLARATION DATE
PALERMO, ITALY 4/1/1903 10/29/1917

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby Tessa78 » 10 Sep 2014, 18:00

Welcome to the forum!

Can you post the death record for us, and provide some additional information?

Maybe we can find some records for you in US to determine that Termini is his exact place of birth.
Did he always reside in Illinois?
Did he marry in US or Italy? What was the name of his wife? Children?

The MORMINO surname is found in Termini and in the Comune of Palermo ...

I did a search of the indici for Termini (1886-1895) and found no Carlo Mormino birth listed.
HOWEVER, I found 2 births listed for Leonardo Mormino. There was one in 1890 at record #131 (or 151- hard to read); and another in 1892 at record #226.

I also located a World War I registration card for Charley Mormino on Grand Ave, Chicago.
If this is your GGF, he lists his birth as 8 September 1887
He also states that he applied for naturalization "first papers - 10/29/17)

AND.. marriage record under "Leonardo Mormino"
Marriage to Anna Prete


Cook County, Illinois, Marriages Index, 1871-1920 about Leonardo Marmine
Name: Leonardo Marmine
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1886
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1908
Marriage Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse Name: Annie Prete
Spouse Age: 19
Spouse Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1030436

IS this the family in 1920 Census?
First son is named Carmine...
Mother-in-law Carmela Prete living with the family


1920 United States Federal Census about Charles Moreno
Name: Charles Moreno

[Charles Morino]
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 18, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Street: Grand Ave
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1897
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie Moreno
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Rent
Naturalization Status: Papers Submitted
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Occupation: Chauffeur
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Moreno 32
Annie Moreno 30
Rose Moreno 11
Carmela Moreno 9
Carmine Moreno 5
Mikie Moreno 3
Mamie Moreno 0
[5/12]
Carmela Prete 74
Sam Prete 25

AND... in 1910 - living with the Prete Family?


1910 United States Federal Census about Charley Mornie
Name: Charley Mornie
[Charley Mormie]
Age in 1910: 22
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 17, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie Mornie
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mike Prate 70
Nellie Prate 54
Rocco Prate 21
Sam Prate 15
Annie Mornie 20
Charley Mornie 22

Rosie Mormie 1
[1 5/12]
Flemie Lamoe 9
Tony Lamoe 13


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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby adelfio » 10 Sep 2014, 18:08

Welcome to IG website
Charley Mormino United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Charley Mormino
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Chicago City no 39, Illinois, United States
Gender: Male
Nationality: Italy
Birth Date: 08 Sep 1887
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1968530

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby PeterTimber » 10 Sep 2014, 18:25

The Charles Mormino I came across in the 1910 census arrived in the USA in 1909 at age 23, single and residing as a boarder in Norman Minnesota. He gave his estimated birth as 1887. I was unable to go further with regard to his entry since even Castlegarden.org has been taken over by MY HERITAGE and I find the EllisIsland .org objectionable. Perhaps someday I will become brilliant as the rest of you when it comes to Family Search and sit there with a magnifying glass trying to bend my head over by 123 degrees to see if I can read something in Italian. Oh well! Peter
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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby adelfio » 10 Sep 2014, 19:35

If you think his birth town is Termini Imerese try the Family History Library Films of Registri dello stato civile di Termini Imerese (Palermo), 1820-1910 for rent viewing and copying
FAMILY HISTORY LOCATOR
https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator

ORDERING FILMS FROM FHL
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... ory_Center

ABOUT ITALIAN RECORDS
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... al_Records

ONLINE CLASS FOR TRANSLATING ITALIAN RECORDS
https://familysearch.org/learningcenter ... 22Italy%22

FILMS FROM FHL OF Termini Imerese SCROLL DOWN
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog ... %20Library

BIRTH RECORD FILM YOU NEED
Nascite 1886-1897 Family History Library International Film 2014204

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby PeterTimber » 10 Sep 2014, 20:19

Adelfio thank you very much for your help. I am familiar with the top 3 websites but not the last two websites for which I am grateful. Peter
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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby suanj » 10 Sep 2014, 21:17

Hi Tessa, me too found the Leonardo Mormino in the 1894 index #226 ..
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246052601
but I no posted because it was no a birth, but death.. if you go at page 61 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246052601
you can read "MORTI"
abt Charles he married in 1908:

Leonardo Marmine

Illinois, Cook County Marriages, 1871-1920
Name: Leonardo Marmine
Age: 22
Birth Year (Estimated): 1886
Birth Date: 1886
Spouse's Name: Annie Prete
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1889
Spouse's Birth Date: 1889
License Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Feb 1908
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 22:20

suanj wrote:hi
by naturalization seeming born in Termini Imerese:
Record Details for Volume 159

Page Number: 476
Declaration Number: 78076


FIRST NAME LAST NAME OCCUPATION
CHARLES MORMINO TEAMSTER ( maybe Calogero Mormino also possible italian name...normally the sicilians changed the first name Calogero in Charles )

BIRTH CITY BIRTH COUNTRY BIRTH DATE
TERMINI ITALY 9/15/1887

CURRENT ADDRESS CURRENT CITY
1371 W. GRAND AVE. CHICAGO

DEPARTURE LOCATION ARRIVAL DATE DECLARATION DATE
PALERMO, ITALY 4/1/1903 10/29/1917

regards,
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Thank you so much for this suanj! I was never sure what the first name would have been in Italy since Charles is obviously anglicized. It is definitely him as that is the right address. Is the Declaration date the same as filing the first papers or second? Is this a record I can find on familysearch.org? Thank you again you have been so much help!

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 22:47

Tessa78 wrote:Welcome to the forum!

Can you post the death record for us, and provide some additional information?

Maybe we can find some records for you in US to determine that Termini is his exact place of birth.
Did he always reside in Illinois?
Did he marry in US or Italy? What was the name of his wife? Children?

The MORMINO surname is found in Termini and in the Comune of Palermo ...

I did a search of the indici for Termini (1886-1895) and found no Carlo Mormino birth listed.
HOWEVER, I found 2 births listed for Leonardo Mormino. There was one in 1890 at record #131 (or 151- hard to read); and another in 1892 at record #226.

I also located a World War I registration card for Charley Mormino on Grand Ave, Chicago.
If this is your GGF, he lists his birth as 8 September 1887
He also states that he applied for naturalization "first papers - 10/29/17)

AND.. marriage record under "Leonardo Mormino"
Marriage to Anna Prete


Cook County, Illinois, Marriages Index, 1871-1920 about Leonardo Marmine
Name: Leonardo Marmine
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1886
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1908
Marriage Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse Name: Annie Prete
Spouse Age: 19
Spouse Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1030436

IS this the family in 1920 Census?
First son is named Carmine...
Mother-in-law Carmela Prete living with the family


1920 United States Federal Census about Charles Moreno
Name: Charles Moreno

[Charles Morino]
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 18, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Street: Grand Ave
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1897
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie Moreno
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Rent
Naturalization Status: Papers Submitted
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Occupation: Chauffeur
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Moreno 32
Annie Moreno 30
Rose Moreno 11
Carmela Moreno 9
Carmine Moreno 5
Mikie Moreno 3
Mamie Moreno 0
[5/12]
Carmela Prete 74
Sam Prete 25

AND... in 1910 - living with the Prete Family?


1910 United States Federal Census about Charley Mornie
Name: Charley Mornie
[Charley Mormie]
Age in 1910: 22
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 17, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Annie Mornie
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mike Prate 70
Nellie Prate 54
Rocco Prate 21
Sam Prate 15
Annie Mornie 20
Charley Mornie 22

Rosie Mormie 1
[1 5/12]
Flemie Lamoe 9
Tony Lamoe 13


T.


Thank you for the welcome! I'm so glad I found this site. I tried to upload the pictures I took of the micro film of his death certificate but the file is sadly to big. :(
His wife's name was Anna Prete (they were married in Illinios) she was born in Chicago to immigrant parents. His children where Carmen, Michael, Rosa, Carmela, Mamie, Anne, Joseph, Theresa. They lived in Chicago for most of his life except for a short stint in Iowa (they were running from the mob, I have a very colorful family history :D :oops: ). Theresa was born in Iowa but the rest of the children were born in Chicago. They lived on Ohio st. when he died but I know they also lived on Grand Ave.
A lot of the records you provided look very promising! Thank you so much for taking the time to find them. I will try and see if I can make the files smaller so I can post his death record.

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 22:54

adelfio wrote:Welcome to IG website
Charley Mormino United States World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Charley Mormino
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Chicago City no 39, Illinois, United States
Gender: Male
Nationality: Italy
Birth Date: 08 Sep 1887
PG LINK TO RECORD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1968530

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Thank you so much Marty. Many of the facts on here seem to match what I know.

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 22:56

PeterTimber wrote:The Charles Mormino I came across in the 1910 census arrived in the USA in 1909 at age 23, single and residing as a boarder in Norman Minnesota. He gave his estimated birth as 1887. I was unable to go further with regard to his entry since even Castlegarden.org has been taken over by MY HERITAGE and I find the EllisIsland .org objectionable. Perhaps someday I will become brilliant as the rest of you when it comes to Family Search and sit there with a magnifying glass trying to bend my head over by 123 degrees to see if I can read something in Italian. Oh well! Peter


I feel your pain Peter! That census looked promising until I noticed it said he was single. I believe he should have been married by then. But in all other regards it looked like a match...oh well!

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 10 Sep 2014, 22:57

adelfio wrote:If you think his birth town is Termini Imerese try the Family History Library Films of Registri dello stato civile di Termini Imerese (Palermo), 1820-1910 for rent viewing and copying
FAMILY HISTORY LOCATOR
https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator

ORDERING FILMS FROM FHL
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... ory_Center

ABOUT ITALIAN RECORDS
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/ ... al_Records

ONLINE CLASS FOR TRANSLATING ITALIAN RECORDS
https://familysearch.org/learningcenter ... 22Italy%22

FILMS FROM FHL OF Termini Imerese SCROLL DOWN
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog ... %20Library

BIRTH RECORD FILM YOU NEED
Nascite 1886-1897 Family History Library International Film 2014204

Marty



Great links! Thank you so much they will come in very handy!

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby suanj » 11 Sep 2014, 11:34

Hi JamieK abt the dates:
10/29/1917 is the DECLARATION DATE ( I believe following the second papaers)
4/1/1903 is the ARRIVAL DATE
I found it here http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/NR/default.aspx

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Re: Help Finding Birth Record For Charles (Carlo) Mormino

Postby JamieK » 11 Sep 2014, 14:58

Thank you so much suanj! I didn't even know that site existed.


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