Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

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Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 20:07

Hi I was hoping somebody can help me find my great grandfather Giuseppe Lise (Harry Joseph Lise/Loise)'s naturalization record.

I found an entry under "New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906" but I don't have access to it...

Any help would be great. Thank you so so much
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 20:26

Can you provide a link to the record you found but cannot access?

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Please provide us with more details of Giuseppe Lise -
When was he born?
Where in US did he live?
When was his arrival?

HERE is a Naturalization Record for a Giuseppe Lisi, fruit dealer from New York
Dated 1899

New York, Naturalization Petitions, 1794-1906 about Guiseppe Lise

Name: Guiseppe Lise
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1864
Birth Place: Italy
Age: 35
Record Date: 18 Oct 1899
Court: District Court Eastern District of NY (10-125)
Court Location: New York, USA

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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 20:45

Hi Tessa

Thank you so much for your help!

He was from Italy, Belluno.
Born around March 1892.

He lived in Westchester and Manhattan between 1902 and 1920.
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 20:48

To give you a little bit more background information, he was my great grandfather who had left the family in Westchester and started a new life (new family) in Manhattan. He was a a bit of a black sheep and was arrested once too (I read a newspaper article on it March 9, 1921). He is this mysterious guy who none of our family members talked about or remembered. I'm curious to find out more about this guy.... :)
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 21:40

OK... so this is NOT your Giuseppe Lise :-)
Birth years are much too far apart! (1864 and 1892)

Will continue to look for him.

Do you happen to know the names of his 2 wives? (in Westchester and in Manhattan?)
and possibly, his occupation?


POSSIBLE 1920 Census for Harry J. Lise in Manhattan
Inmate at City Prison in NY (The Tombs)
Birthplace listed as Italy, he is a tile setter, married and age 28.
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POSSIBLE WWI Registration Card for Joseph Lise (tile setter) residing in Manhattan on Downing St.
Married with 3 children.
Occupation: Tile setter
Born in Belluno, Italy. DOB: 14 March 1891

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It appears that he entered military service and may have been imprisoned for desertion...
Here is abstract of military service...
Enlisted Aug 9, 1917
Deserted Aug 24, 1917
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 22:08

Hi Tessa. Thank you so so much!
The Harry in prison is definitely him.

I did extensive research back in 2005 with the help of a lot of posters on this form and found out a lot about my family then.

His first wife was Josephine (ne Toia). Had 4 children. First child was my grandfather, William.
Second wife was Lottie (ne Masters). Had 7 children.

According to this 1920 Census he declared himself as Married. Interesting.

But according to some news paper articles he was reported to have lived in Manhattan in 1921 (His first family have always lived in New Rochel, Westchester). I wonder when Josephine and Harry divorced (maybe whilst in prison).
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 22:14

Thanks for the additional information.

I posted another record above.

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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 22:18

Oh my, I just saw the desertion report.

Grand children of second marriage thought Harry went to prison because of this baby incident which happened in December 1919 (some of the family members are doing some research). But the desertion report is really interesting. Desertion could have been what put him into prison....
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 22:19

He enlisted Aug. 9, 1917 and deserted Aug. 24, 1917

Would be interesting to find out if that is what put him in prison.

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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 22:21

Yes definitely interesting. Wow.
What online records are there to confirm details of crimes?
I feel like a detective without searching tools.. lol
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 22:27

Looks like the "baby case" was his reason for prison, BUT he appears to have been in for something prior to that as well. The 1920 Census was in January... read below.

Here is a New York Tribune article from March, 1921.
States that the judge sentenced him to 6 months to 3 years in the penitentiary for perjury in the baby case, and that he had spent 92 days in "the Tombs" prior to sentencing.

The article is on the far right next to the ad for Chester M Cloud, broker.
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspapers ... Index=Z%3a\Index%20I-E-V&HitCount=2&hits=fad+fae+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf

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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 22:35

Wow thank you! This confirmed his reason for being in prison.

Still wondering when he naturalized.. I wonder if he enlisted to the army to naturalize.
Then deserted after less than 3 weeks.
On the 1920 census there's note under Citizenship but I can't read it..

WAIT, so he appears to have been in prison for something else too?????
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 22:40

The reason for his other term in prison is something we will need to search further...

EDIT TO ADD:

Here is an article in THE EVENING TELEGRAM - New York, January 9, 1920 (right before the 1920 Census) when Harry J. Lise (aka Loise) was arrested and taken to prison for "the baby case" perjury. BTW - his address in the article is Beechwood Ave, New Rochelle...
Sooo... he was in prison for the census. Not sure when the "92 days" ended that is mentioned in the other news article.

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspapers ... Index=Z%3a\Index%20I-E-V&HitCount=2&hits=5d3+5d4+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf

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You may also be correct about the enlisting to get naturalized.
I am still looking for naturalization records. Trying to find earlier census records to see what he indicates regarding citizenship.


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Another article about Joseph Loise...
In the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, in 1932
Toward bottom of page... "3 Held in Robbery of Democratic Club"
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper% ... Index=Z%3a\Index%20O-G-T-S&HitCount=2&hits=16a9+16aa+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf

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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Marcialise » 30 Sep 2014, 23:02

So, finally the truth about Harry's stay in prison in 1920. Thank you so much for helping out! Really appreciate it. You are a great and fast researcher Tessa!

There is a Census from 1910 where he is listed a child. His father was Antonio Lise, mother Emma (Sannia) Lise.
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Re: Naturalization record Guiseppe Lise

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Sep 2014, 23:10

Just posted another article from 1932 above...


However, this article is about how they were cleared of the charges :-)
Bottom right side of the Long Island Daily Press, July 1932 - "3 Men Cleared of Robbery Charge"

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper% ... Index=Z%3a\Index%20U-F-P&HitCount=2&hits=1299+129a+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf


BTW - Do you have the arrival manifest for the family in 1902?
With mother, Emma, Sister Adolfia, and brother Umberto.
There appears to be naturalization notations by mother's name but not Giuseppe's. You may need to locate HER (or her husband's) naturalization record. Giuseppe may have been naturalized under theirs as a minor child.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Guiseppe Lise
Name: Guiseppe Lise
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1902
Birth Date: abt 1891
Age: 11
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Rio Negro
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper% ... Index=Z%3a\Index%20U-F-P&HitCount=2&hits=1299+129a+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf

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Looks like Harry DID serve in the military...
See this US Veterans' Gravesite listing..

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 about Harry J Loise
Name: Harry J Loise
Service Info.: CHAUF US ARMY
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1892
Death Date: 22 May 1956
Service Start Date: 15 Nov 1917
Interment Date: 25 May 1956
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2e Site 5872

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