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Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 09 Feb 2015, 19:33

Reilly Harry Thomas born ~1901 in New York, probably Queens and died 1977 in Florida.

I am his last surviving direct relative and would like to locate some of my long lost family members. I believe he came from a large family, father and mother from Italy. I know he had a sister Albina (born ~1898) and an odler brother Theodore. All indications they all lived in or around Queens, New York from early 1900s through mid 1970s. There is some reference to Middlesex, Massachusetts which may be where parents migrated to from Italy, Unfortunately I have no names for parents.

Sister Albina (Lena) Thomas, my aunt, married William Quinn around 1918 and shows family William, Albina, Anttonetta, John and William living at 5327 64th Street in Queens in the 1940 Census.

Any help or info will be greatly appreciated by this new member.

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Anizio » 09 Feb 2015, 20:34

So someone with the surname "Thomas" but the parents came from Italy?

So basically their names were changed were they came to the US? Just to clarify. Important to know when searching for records that the name may not be the same.
TIP: When asking for records from Italy, do NOT ask for an "estratto." ALWAYS ask for a "copia integrale." A photocopy of the original Act will contain more information

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 09 Feb 2015, 21:44

Thanks so much for the quick reply. I am new at geaneology so please forgive any mistakes or omissions. Yes, I assume the name was changed at sometime. Any help or suggestions will be most appreciated. Wish I had more info to go on but alas there is not. I do remember Maspeth, LI, New Youk return address on an old letter...funny what you remember from early childhood. Also, I believe one of Reilly's brothers was a butcher and that Albina's husband, William Quinn worked construction at the Empire State Building when an airplane crashed into it.

Thanks again for any help.

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Feb 2015, 22:12

From NYC birth index... POSSIBLE birth record for sister?

Thomas Lena Sep 29 1899 15640 Kings

Possible Census for Reilly Thomas? 1940

Reilly Thomas
United States Census, 1940
Name: Reilly Thomas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Ward 8, Jacksonville, Election Precinct 8D, Duval, Florida, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: New York
Birth Year (Estimated): 1902
Last Place of Residence: Tampa, Florida
District: 68-93 , Family Number: 374 , Sheet Number and Letter: 14B , Line Number: 80 , Affiliate Publication Number: T627 , Affiliate Film Number: 625 , Digital Folder Number: 005449616 , Image Number: 00586

On the 1925 New York Census, the family is living in Woodside, Queens, NY at 38th Ave.
Head of household is Michael Thomas, age 52, who lists his place of birth as Italy.
No wife listed. Living with him are George, son, age looks to be 30something; Victoria, daughter, age illegible; Reilly, son, age 23; Mary, age 8 (looks like daughter but could be granddaughter?). All born in US.

http://interactive.ancestry.com/2704/32 ... 4384-00217

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 09 Feb 2015, 22:33

Thanks, yes, that is the correct 1940 Census data for Reilly Thomas. The 1925 Census information looks promising, all of the info seems to fit Theodore and there may have been another brother George, Victoria and Mary are unknown to me. In 1925 Albina (Lena) would have been 27 and probably already married to William Quinn. Any way to determine the original family name and when it was changed? Any earlier censuses available?

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Tessa78 » 09 Feb 2015, 22:42

George is definitely a brother...
Here is Reilly Harry Thomas' WWI Registration Card listing his brother, George, as nearest relative.
Reilly is living in Long Island City, Queens.
He gives his birthdate as 10 April 1900.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1968530

As to the family name... difficult.
We could make the assumption that it was probably something like Tommaso or Di Tommaso ---but we do not ASSUME in genealogy... would need to find other documents (arrival manifest, naturalization records, etc.) that could confirm a change of name.

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 10 Feb 2015, 15:39

I also had a cousin Angelina (born ~1940) in Queens I believe that could have been George's or Theodore's daughter.

Is there any way to view a copy of Reilly's birth certificate? That would have Mother's and Father's name, possibly before it was changed.

Is knowing that probably his father's name was Michael any helpin locating immigration information on him?

Thanks so much for the assistance.

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 10 Feb 2015, 18:22

I found this record in castlegarden.org, may be Michael Thomas, father of Reilly Thomas, age and date mathes reference on 1925 Census.

LAST NAME : THOMAS
FIRST NAME : MICHAEL
AGE : 9
SEX : M
ARRIVAL DATE : 4 MAR 1882
PLACE OF LAST RESIDENCE : U

Ref: http://www.castlegarden.org/search_02.p ... _last_name

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Tessa78 » 10 Feb 2015, 21:33

Italian Tiger wrote:I also had a cousin Angelina (born ~1940) in Queens I believe that could have been George's or Theodore's daughter.

Is there any way to view a copy of Reilly's birth certificate? That would have Mother's and Father's name, possibly before it was changed.

Is knowing that probably his father's name was Michael any helpin locating immigration information on him?

Thanks so much for the assistance.


I have searched the NYC birth indexes for Reilly Thomas in the 1890-1905 years and have found no Reilly Thomas. I also searched for Reilly Tommaso (you never know! :-) ) Also tried searching for older siblings George and Victoria... The name Thomas is so common that it is hard to narrow down the hits. I DID find ONE Theodore Thomas...
Thomas Theodore Feb 18 1896 #2147 Kings
If you could find Reilly's birth in the index, you could send for a copy, for a fee.
For birth records before 1910...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/ar ... irth.shtml

Another possibility is to send for the Social Security Application that Reilly completed, It is called an SS-5 and is available (for a fee) from the Social Security Administration. HOWEVER, it will probably have he surname THOMAS for his father and that does not help to know if his father arrived with surname TOMMASO, DI TOMMASO, etc., and then "americanized" it.
https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWe ... t/main.jsp

As to the arrival manifest you posted... my feeling is that Reilly's father, if he indeed changed his name to Thomas, did so after arriving in the US, and probably traveled under a name that may have been Italian...

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby suanj » 10 Feb 2015, 22:12

Hi, here the marriage record of Albina:

Quinn William Oct 29 1917 2329 (1917) Queens Thomasa, Albina

and maybe the possible 1930 census of Michael Thomas:
Michael Thomas

United States Census, 1930

Name: Michael Thomas
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1930
Event Place: Queens (Districts 0001-0250), Queens, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Father
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Father
Birth Year (Estimated): 1872
Birthplace: Italy
Immigration Year: 1887
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
George Thomas Head M 37 New York
Anglina Thomas Wife F 31 New York
Michael Thomas Son M 11 New York
Peter Thomas Son M 10 New York
Antoinette Thomas Daughter F 8 New York
Grace Thomas Daughter F 7 New York
Josephine Thomas Daughter F 4 New York
Michael Thomas Father M 58 Italy


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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 10 Feb 2015, 22:37

the marriage record of Albina:

Quinn William Oct 29 1917 2329 (1917) Queens Thomasa, Albina

Could Thomasa be the family name before changing to Thomas or could that just be a mistake in the record?

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby suanj » 11 Feb 2015, 17:35

maybe the surname was Di Tommaso; here the family in 1915 census:


Mickel Di Thomasse

New York, State Census, 1915

Name: Mickel Di Thomasse
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1915
Event Place: New York, Queens, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1870
Years in United States: 27
House Number: 253
Page: 24
Mickel Di Thomasse 45
Mary Di Thomasse 46
Albina Di Thomasse 17
George Di Thomasse 23
Tony Di Thomasse 20
Donato Di Thomasse 16
Pasquale Di Thomasse 14
Ortenza Di Farco 97 ( mother .. but really mother in law; right italian name Prudenzia DI FALCO)
Frank Moreti 24
Pasquale Lobedodo 22
Angel Patruno 21


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the mother in law arrival:
First Name : Prudenzia
Last Name : Di Falco
Nationality : Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence : Iserina, Campobasso
Date of Arrival : June 7th, 1905
Age at Arrival : 68y
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Widowed
Ship of Travel : Cretic
Port of Departure : Naples
Manifest Line Number : 0027


http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/s ... SUYiOw==/1
joining at son in law Michele Di Tommaso ( or Di Tomaso) in Brooklyn, New York
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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby suanj » 11 Feb 2015, 18:04

I don't have the possibility of to search in Isernia civil records because no availables on line, but maybe I found the marriage of Michele Di Tomaso:

Ditomaso Michele Feb 17 1887 81463 (1887) Manhattan 1556697 Matticole, Antonia

I believe right marriage record...
Antonia or Maria Antonia Matticola, I believe coming from Isernia also.. however no doubts that both the spouses was born in Molise region...
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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby Italian Tiger » 11 Feb 2015, 19:15

Very interesting. Does the family Mickel Di Thomasse or Michele Di Tomaso show up in the 1925 or 1930 census?

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Re: Looking for Reilly Harry Thomas relatives in New York

Postby suanj » 11 Feb 2015, 21:39

Italian Tiger wrote:Very interesting. Does the family Mickel Di Thomasse or Michele Di Tomaso show up in the 1925 or 1930 census?

no, pertaining same family I found 1930 census as Michael Thomas.. the anglicization name was complete... I have no doubts..
I found the marriage record showing also parent's names.. obviously the names are misspelled:

Michele Detomaso
mentioned in the record of Michele Detomaso and Antonia Matticole (Matticola)

Name: Michele Detomaso (Di Tomaso)
Spouse's Name: Antonia Matticole (Matticola)
Event Date: 17 Feb 1887
Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name: Antonio
Mother's Name: Vincenza Diagnielo (D'Agnelli)
Spouse's Father's Name: Giuseppe (Giuseppe Matticola)
Spouse's Mother's Name: Ferza De Faltia (Prudenzia Di Falco)
I believe that both the spouses coming from same area.. some Commune in Isernia province
( Isernia is a modern province of Molise region, in the past was just Campobasso)

In 1930 census, George Thomas named the first son: Michael and the first daughter: Antonia as the his parents...
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