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Census/Surname Help

Postby amarino81 » 26 Mar 2015, 01:53

Hi
I am new to this site. My name is Anthony and like many others here I am tracing my roots back to Italy. I am stuck on tracing my paternal grandmother Madeline Marino (Gandino was her maiden name), from Brooklyn, 11211. I know she had a sister Concetta and at least 2 brothers Dominick (born in 1903) and Nunzio.
After hrs of searching I finally located them on the 1920 census
https://archive.org/stream/14thcensusof ... 2/mode/1up
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJRQ-3TY

It appears the census has the wrong last name (it says Caudini instead of Gandino) which made it difficult to locate. Here is where the confusion begins. It list my great grandmother Rosalia as immigrating years after some of my grandmothers siblings were born (it lists them as born in the US). There is also a large gap between the birth of some of the children. Do you think its possible Rosalia was my grandfathers 2nd marriage? Since he had the kids, possibly widowed? Or maybe just plain ol lying to the census taker?
Would anyone be able to help me go back further? I would ultimately like to trace them back to their actual town, like I was able to do with my maternal grandfathers side (Eboli, Italy).
Thanks in advance for the help, and I look forward to participating on this site.

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Postby Robin B Mc » 26 Mar 2015, 03:09

You have to take census data with a grain of salt because it's often approximate or even inaccurate. Also, looking at the original handwritten document, it does look more like Gandino so Caudini is just be an indexing error (ie, someone misreading the name on the digital input).

As for the immigration/birth year discrepancies, it could again just be an error. Census data was collected for demographic purposes, not for identity purposes, so particular details were not a huge priority. Many details were misheard or misunderstood by the enumerator. And the data was also subject to the accuracy of the informant providing the info. So it could just be that Rosalia's immigration year is wrong.

That said, yes, I do think it's possible Rosalia is the second wife and the stepmother of some of the children listed. You would really need to do more research and find the family in previous census records to confirm this. I'm not sure what you mean by Rosalia plain old lying to the census taking about it though - in what way? Remember, the census only says that Rosalia is the wife of the head of the household and that the children are the children of the head of the household. Nowhere does it say Rosalia is the mother of these children. Certain census records do indicate when one is in their first or second marriage but I don't think this is one of them.

I notice on the 1920 census for James Gandino that it says his naturalization status is "papers submitted". There is a naturalization record for a James Gandino from 1921 - his birth year matches the census and it says his wife is Rosa and his children's names match the census too. It says he was born in Naples. It is partially typed and it actually says his surname was Gaudino, not Gandino - so you might want to consider that the original was Gaudino.

If you have an Ancestry.com subscription, you can see the naturalization record here: http://search.ancestry.com//cgi-bin/sse ... &ml_rpos=1

If not, here's the index:

Name: James Gandino
Age: 50
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1871
Spouse's Name: Rosa
Children: Alberta, Concetta, Nunzeo, Binnaco, Luigi, Mimi, Maddalena
Arrival Date: 1884
Naturalization Date: 23 May 1921
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Eastern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization

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Postby Robin B Mc » 26 Mar 2015, 03:15

And here's the original naturalization.
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Postby Robin B Mc » 26 Mar 2015, 03:30

This looks like the family in 1910: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... h=17762773

Rose is listed - however, this time it says her immigration year was 1894 and that she's in her first marriage, as is James. She and James had been married about 15 years. It also says she's given birth to 7 children, 6 of whom are living.

So it looks like she is the mother and the immigration year on the 1920 census is just plain wrong.

Here's the index:

Name: James Gardino
Age in 1910: 36
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 14, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1890
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Rose Gardino
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Gardino 36
Rose Gardino 32
Alphonso Gardino 14
Katherine Gardino 13
Nunzio Gardino 12
James Gardino 11
Louis Gardino 9
Joseph Gardino 0
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And if you're looking for it on FamilySearch: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M54T-ZDC

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Postby Robin B Mc » 26 Mar 2015, 03:48

This is them in the 1905 NY State Census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKS8-Q53

Btw, I found these by doing a search for only their first names, leaving the surname blank, and restricting the location only to Brooklyn. So I searched for James b. 1871, with a wife Rose/Rosalia/Rosaria, and children Albert, Concetta, Nunzio, etc. There are enough first names that a surname isn't necessary. Italian surnames got so mangled on the US census records sometimes the only way to find them is to leave the surname field totally blank and hope you have enough other details to narrow it down.

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Re: Census/Surname Help

Postby amarino81 » 26 Mar 2015, 03:58

Thank you so much Robin. I am amazed at how much you found and ever so grateful for your help. I really need to start up my ancestry account again.
Would you happen to have the 1905 image? Amazing how many people lived in one house. Absolutely humbling.

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Re: Census/Surname Help

Postby amarino81 » 26 Mar 2015, 04:01

Please disregard the 1905 image request. I was able to open it up on FamilySearch. I am still looking for Rosas naturalization and their passage information. If you run across either please let me know.

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Re: Census/Surname Help

Postby amarino81 » 27 Mar 2015, 02:28

Anyone think it's possible this is my g grandparents marriage license and my g grandmothers manifest?

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Postby Robin B Mc » 27 Mar 2015, 03:19

That does look promising but without more details you can't say for sure. I would order the marriage certificate to see if you gives you additional info, like their ages. Don't order it through Ancestry.com though - they'll charge much more. For info on where to order from, click on "learn more" at the bottom of the record - then scroll down to the bottom where it says:

Obtaining Copies of the Records Visit the Department of Records/Municipal Archives website, www.nyc.gov/records (click on family history research) for information and instructions on how to view and/or obtain copies of marriage records identified in the index, and to view a complete list of all extant marriage records.

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Re: Census/Surname Help

Postby amarino81 » 27 Mar 2015, 06:22

Thanks. I am going to request the marriage certificate.
I think alba is the correct maiden name. I found a birth record for Nunzio (butchered names of course), with the names Rose Alba Gautino and James Gautino. The birth yr matches the census and naturalization papers. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W4C-1PR
I also found a death record for who appears to be the newborn Joseph Gardino you noted from the 1910 census. Looks like he passed a yr later, which would explain why he is not on any further census'. Alba is also mentioned in the record. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WN3-9M3

Disappointed the ship manifest does not list the home town for Rose Alba, just Naples.


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