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Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 30 Mar 2015, 20:12

Hi,

I am having trouble looking naturalization records for my g grandfather, Raffaele (Ralph) Palladino.
He was born in Eboli, Italy (Salerno) on 9/7/1890 and passed away in Brooklyn, NY on 8/22/1967.
He came to Brooklyn from Eboli on 10/22/1913 on the SS Verona.
He married my g grandmother Anna Pellegrino (born in NY in 1911) on 5/22/1927.
Attached is his WWII draft card and SS death information.

Can anyone help me locate this papers? I have a middle tier Ancestry account (without Fold access).

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 02:59

Have you checked with NARA or USCIS to see if they have naturalization records for him?

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 03:11

I could not find anything on NARA. I might end up submitting a USCIS request if nothing turns up on the usual indexes.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 03:12

How about census records? They might help you narrow down the range in which he could've naturalized, although they can be inaccurate. In some years the census even asked when the naturalization occurred.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 05:36

According to the 1930 and 1940 census', he was already naturalized. Unfortunately, no date on either census.
I can't find him on the 1920 or 1925 (NYS) census. Raffaele and his brother Vincenzo lived side by side through the yrs. Vincenzo was married to Irene (both from Eboli, married her there).\

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Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 05:55

There's an index entry for a Raffaele Palladino's declaration of intent on 12 May 1933 in US NY Southern District Court. That would be after 1930, but maybe that census was wrong. The record is from NARA.

Here's the source:
National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Index, 1917-1950 Declarations of Intention, U.S. District Court, Southern Dist. of New York, M1675; Microfilm Serial: M1675; Microfilm Roll: 69

Did you actually contact NARA and ask for a search? If you haven't I suggest you do so.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 06:03

Actually, I just found the petition for naturalization for him, but it looks like it's not the same person. This Raffaele Palladino was born 17 Jul 1881 in Eboli, but married Maria (b. 13 Sep 1889) on 4 Jun 1922 in NY. It also says his first wife Anna died in NYC in 1918. The 3 oldest children - Ida (b. 1909), Amelia, and Constantine - were with Anna; the others with Maria.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 06:17

On his ship's manifest from 1913, on the 2nd page it appears to say something after the part where it says he's staying with his brother Gaetano. It looks like "1931" with something after it. Can you make that out? However, on the 1st page there is no naturalization info unlike some of the other passengers.

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Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 07:14

You might be right about Gaetano. I only knew of Raffaele and Vincenzo but maybe there was a third brother. I actually just found a 1925 NY census with both of them in it, and the street is in the same neighborhood. The only thing is Raffaele's birth is off by 5 or so years. Or I have the wrong manifest.

I think I found Gaetano's manifest which shows Eboli: http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/p ... 5pZmVzdCI7

Anna Palladino passed away on 4/13/1972 and is buried with Raffaele.
I believe they were married on 5/22/1927.

There is another set of Palladinos from Eboli, which I believe lived in the Bronx.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 08:35

Why are you looking for the naturalization records, specifically? Is this because you want to claim Italian citizenship?

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 15:49

I am working on dual citizenship as well as tracing all 4 grandparents' sides back to their towns in Italy.

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Postby adelfio » 31 Mar 2015, 16:45

Do you known the parents of Raffaele ?
Heres a Vincenzo
Nome: Vincenzo Palladino

Classe: 1885

Comune di nascita: Eboli

Full text: Vincenzo Palladino son of Antonio e Teresa Pisani nato il 01/04/1885 a Eboli di professione barbiere

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 for Vincenzo Palladino born on 01/04/1885 closest relative Raffaele Palladino

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby carubia » 31 Mar 2015, 16:58

Well, since it appears that you already know where and when Raffaele Paladino was born, the naturalization record is unnecessary to trace him back to Italy. You can contact Eboli and ask for his birth record. The marriage record in the NYC archives should also have his parents' names.

To prove naturalization or not, you'll need to do a USCIS search, in addition to the NARA one you've already done. What else you'll need will depend on what USCIS has on him.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 17:19

adelfio wrote:Do you known the parents of Raffaele ?
Heres a Vincenzo
Nome: Vincenzo Palladino

Classe: 1885

Comune di nascita: Eboli

Full text: Vincenzo Palladino son of Antonio e Teresa Pisani nato il 01/04/1885 a Eboli di professione barbiere

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 for Vincenzo Palladino born on 01/04/1885 closest relative Raffaele Palladino

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http://interactive.ancestry.com/6482/00 ... turnRecord

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Hi Marty

I was able to get the marriage record for Vincenzo and Irene (Cestaro) from Eboli last yr. He was born on 4/24/1881 on Strada Rua, Eboli.

I think the WW1 Draft card is for the other Palladinos in Manhattan/the Bronx.

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Re: Naturalization Record Help

Postby amarino81 » 31 Mar 2015, 17:21

carubia wrote:Well, since it appears that you already know where and when Raffaele Paladino was born, the naturalization record is unnecessary to trace him back to Italy. You can contact Eboli and ask for his birth record. The marriage record in the NYC archives should also have his parents' names.

To prove naturalization or not, you'll need to do a USCIS search, in addition to the NARA one you've already done. What else you'll need will depend on what USCIS has on him.


Thank you for all the help. I am going to order the NYC marriage cert as well as an USCIS search. I also have to contact Eboli again and request his birth certificate.


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