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looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith place

Postby terryann55 » 04 Aug 2005, 19:35

My grandfather name is carmelo mollica, he arrived in new york around 1905. I think he came from sanFratello (although my father always claim he was from reggie calabria) he was spprox 25 when he arrived. he died 10 years later in new york. he death certificate say only that he was in NY for 10 years and that he was 35 it also misspells his name it Mollico. I am at a total dead end. His fathers name was Gussippe and his mother rosa greco according the the death certificate.

can anyone help me

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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby GAETANO2 » 04 Aug 2005, 20:21

Ciao Terry,

An Ellis Island Search returned these results:

First Name: Carmelo
Last Name: Mollica
Ethnicity: Italy-Italian South
Last Place of Residence: S. Fratello, Sicily
Date of Arrival: April 22, 1914
Age at Arrival: 45y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: S. Guglielmo
Port of Departure: Palermo
Manifest Line Number: 0014

The manifest indicates his wife's name as:
Benedetta Santoro

His final destination was Ottowa, Canada
to see his brother Benedetto Mollica
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2005, 21:22

Hi; are 2 Carmelo Mollica in New York 1910 census:
1-:
Name: Carmelo Molica
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Home in 1910: 12-Wd Manhattan, New York, New York
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Race: White
Gender: Male
Series: T624
Roll: 1015
Part: 1
Page: 118B
Year: 1910
married to Rosa 37 old; child: Josephine 14 old, Michael 12 old, Frank 1 old; Carmelo came in USA in 1904; in 1907 came Rosa and childs...

2-:
Name: Carmelo Molica
Age in 1910: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Home in 1910: 32-Ad Bronx, New York, New York
Neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Series: T624
Roll: 998
Part: 1
Page: 214B
Year: 1910



More: are an ship's manifest about an Salvatore Mollica from San Fratello, that came in USA(New York) in 1906 and joining Carmelo brother http://ellisisland.org/search/shipmanif ... 2252120333
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Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2005, 21:27

More: you know if also Giuseppe(father) and Rosa(mother) was in USA?
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby terryann55 » 04 Aug 2005, 21:57

Hi suanj,

Your point # 1 I believe to be my grandfather, because my grandmothers name was rosa and my father was born in 1909 his name was frank. I can't find anything else. I have his death certificate he was killed in 1915.

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Postby terryann55 » 04 Aug 2005, 22:04

Answer to more: I am not sure if rosa or Giuseppe were here, my mother says she thinks his father was in new york. that where the search ends. Terry
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Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2005, 22:04

Yes Terry, me too think that the first is just; in this time I searched for you and no records about immigration... also about the childs: Giuseppina and Michele that sure borns in Italy... also the age is pertaining with your data...is interesting that Salvatore came in USA joining Carmelo; sure is an Carmelo brother, why we know that are only 2 Carmelo Mollica in New York untill 1910..
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Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2005, 22:10

Terry:
on census 1910 Carmelo and Rosa was married only from 3 years! rosa had 5 childs, but only 3 living... I think that is possible that married in New York.... moreover I think that Giuseppe and Rosa no came in USA..
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Postby terryann55 » 04 Aug 2005, 22:19

suanj, my grandmother was married in italy her name was a. rosa montana she had 3 children with her 1st husband. However I do not know Michele at all my father never mentioned a brother. I also believe that my grandfather and grandmother never married. My grandmother died when my father was 18, my mother was 20 years younger than him
and she do not know much. do have any suggestions? thanks terry
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby terryann55 » 04 Aug 2005, 22:29

I think you may be right Gusippe and Rosa did not come to New york.
Maybe that is why I can't find them. I tried to find when carmelo and rosa were married by I find no record.
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby suanj » 04 Aug 2005, 23:23

terryann55 wrote:suanj, my grandmother was married in italy her name was a. rosa montana she had 3 children with her 1st husband. However I do not know Michele at all my father never mentioned a brother. I also believe that my grandfather and grandmother never married. My grandmother died when my father was 18, my mother was 20 years younger than him
and she do not know much. do have any suggestions? thanks terry

Ok, I understand; are an A. Rosa Montana:
A. Rosa Montana Stigliano 1907 32
the age and the immigration year are just, also the final destination, married status, but no childrens on ship's manifest http://ellisisland.org/search/shipmanif ... 1918020223
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby terryann55 » 10 Jul 2012, 19:06

Help!! I am still looking for my grandfather carmelo mollica birth certificate, his place of birth anything. The only thing I can find is his ellis island arrival and his death certificate. Is there anyone who can help find his place of birth with such little information?
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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby suanj » 12 Jul 2012, 11:49

You have some other details... checking the infos on this old topic, I can say that the Carmelo Mollica arrived in 1904 coming from San Fratello, Sicily, IT:
first trip

Last Name: MOLLICA
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: S FRATELLO
Date of Arrival: May 29, 1905
Age at Arrival: 27Y no 37 right
Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Citta di Torino
Port of Departure: NAPOLI
Manifest Line Number: 0017

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017
well he was born around 1869 in San Fratello.. and he was married in 1899 in San Fratello at Benedetta Santoro .. I found the marriage
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n308942738

and again another trip in 1914, final destination Ottawa, Canada

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0014

so cannot be your Carmelo....

your Carmelo was born around 1878:
1910 United States Federal Census about Carmela Molica
Name: Carmela Molica
[Carmelo Molica]
Age in 1910: 32
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Race: White
Immigration Year: 1904
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Rosa Molica
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
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Household Members: Name Age
Carmela Molica
32
Rosa Molica
37
Josephina Molica
14
Michael Molica
12
Frank Molica
1


and you said Reggio Calabria area... I cannot find the arrival... if you have more details, maybe we can search better.... he died in 1915 and so no WWI draft registration card.. that is very helpful for to descover the italian birthplace; I searched also in old newspapers and no articles abt the him death...


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Re: looking for my grandfathers birth certificate or bith pl

Postby terryann55 » 12 Jul 2012, 13:38

Dear Suanj,
You have the right Carmelo born around 1878,And the cenus is right, my father was Frank he was 1 year old at the time. Carmelo never married Ana Rose, but they lived together. He was married when he arrived per ellis island report. All except for my father frank, the other children were not named mollica. And I have never heard of Michael maybe he died. May dad was 5 when his father was shot see link, I have his death certificate but it has no birth date on it.

http://www.gangrule.com/events/struggle ... -1914-1918

I am at a dead end. I'm not sure if my father was right about where carmelo came from.
I know there is a obituray but, I can"t find the article.

Do you think he had a passport and is there anyway to find that?

I have been looking for so long!!

Thank you so much for you help!!!
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