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State vs Church name

Postby Anizio » 20 May 2015, 16:36

Hello, I recently got my grandfather's records to help him learn his middle names and in the mean time I thought I'd also grab my grandmother's even though she knew hers.

The only problem is the church and state record give her two different names.
State: Giovanna Vilelma Assunta Lorenzetti
Church: Ioanninna Vilelma Assumpta Lorenzetta, and at the top it says Giannina.

There is no question the first name in both records is different (Giovanna would be Ioanna in latin). Does anyone know why they would be different since surely her parents are the ones who told them what to write?

Also, does this mean she sort of has two names? Giovanna or Giannina? This is very strange to me, I have never encountered it in another person.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: State vs Church name

Postby Robin B Mc » 20 May 2015, 20:45

Anizio wrote:Hello, I recently got my grandfather's records to help him learn his middle names and in the mean time I thought I'd also grab my grandmother's even though she knew hers.

The only problem is the church and state record give her two different names.
State: Giovanna Vilelma Assunta Lorenzetti
Church: Ioanninna Vilelma Assumpta Lorenzetta, and at the top it says Giannina.

There is no question the first name in both records is different (Giovanna would be Ioanna in latin).


Yes but Ioanna and Ioanninna strike me as different spellings/variants of the same name anyway - as do Giovanna and Giannina. I would not get too hung up on this - I always find a Latin version of the names in the church records since they were recorded in Latin. I don't think it means she had two names - I have always found that in history, names were a very fluid thing, with no strict spelling or definite variant. Much like how we have nicknames and might alternately be called James one moment and Jim the next moment. I have found one of my ancestors records alternately as Giuseppa and Giuseppina on state records, and Josepha on her baptism record - it doesn't mean she had two or three names, just that they are essentially the same, interchangeable name.

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Re: State vs Church name

Postby Anizio » 20 May 2015, 21:17

They are variants sure, but Giovanni and Giovanna re also variants. over 25,000 people in italy are named Giannina. And her mother was named Nella, technically a variant of another name, but she was just named Nella. Anyway the nickname for Giovanna is Gianna, not Giannina even if that were the case.

We're talking about two official birth documents, not variant spellings over time like Giulia changing to Giuliana. These are different names.

I respect you taking the time to respond, but does anyone else have more academic knowledge or experience with Italian naming?
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