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Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby rp76226 » 28 May 2015, 22:37

I am trying to find the June 19, 1866 Allegati death record in Petralia Soprano for Giuseppa LaBarbera (or sometimes just Barbera) who was married to Francesco Cerami. There is a 20 year gap (1865-1883) in the normal death records for that town. I found mention of her death in another allegati marriage record for the 1882 marriage of her son Leonardo Cerami which took place in Cerda on June 28, 1882 (but they only married in Cerda where the bride, Gaetana Ilardi, lived, but had their children in Petralia Soprano). I found the link to the 1863 -1868 Allegati records in familysearch.org, but it appears to contain records from other years outside that range, so I'm having problems finding that date. Here is the link to that range of allegati records:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,245933101

Somewhere in the allegati records for Petralia Soprano (between 1864-1882) should also be the death record for Francesco Cerami. However, I know of no way to find it other than trying to go through every page of allegati records for those years which is more than I can handle. I do not know why his wife's death record was mentioned in their son's allegati marriage record, but not his, since the civil record of that marriage indicates that he was deceased too.

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby Tessa78 » 28 May 2015, 23:28

Can you post the link for the marriage allegati in which is mentioned the death of Giuseppa LaBarbera?

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby rjmichaels » 28 May 2015, 23:44

I found the death record in the 1882 marriage allegati (Image 3006):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246055901

The allegati begins on Image 3002:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246055901

As well as the marriage record for Leonardo Cerami:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246762701

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby rp76226 » 28 May 2015, 23:59

Yes, I have that for Cerda. I'm hoping to find it for Petralia Soprano where the death occurred, in the year that it occurred, to see if it has information not found on the Cerda record. Eventually, I really hope to find the death record for Francesco Cerami, but that seems nearly hopeless.

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby Tessa78 » 29 May 2015, 01:47

Here is the link to the original death record for Giuseppa Barbera in Petralia Soprano in June 1866... :D

Right side of image... #61
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,247622101

AND..
Original death record of Maestro Francesco Cerami in Petralia Soprana in February 1864.
#19
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246787101

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby rp76226 » 29 May 2015, 15:30

I am grateful, but are you sure? I don't think that last name spells Cerami; the second letter looks like an 'o', and the third letter looks like a 'v'. Also the last name of his wife, especially the first letter does not look like Barbera to me. The age is right and Italian handwriting can be notoriously bad, If it is right, I am struggling with the name of the parents on the document. The mother looks like Maria Giovanna, both given names - don't see a surname (or is that di Giovanna). It appears they give the mother's father too (figlia), but I can't make out the name. For Francesco, the father's name might be Pietro, followed by another name or word, that I cannot make out. It is also preceded by a word - is that Italian for 'Master"? Tessa, how did you find them? Is there an index or you just look at every record until you find it.

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby Tessa78 » 29 May 2015, 15:53

I am pretty sure this is your Francesco...

The handwriting is difficult, but you can see that the letter "r" in Cerami and in Barbera are the same.

In Giuseppa's death act her husband is Maestro Francesco Cerami, and that is the same for this death act. He was a 52 year old master carpenter. He was the son of Maestro Pietro, who was deceased [defunto], and of Maria Giovanna di Figlia [Di Figlia is a surname in Palermo province] who is also deceased.

I searched page by page in the years prior to 1866 to find Francesco :-)

And the deaths for years 1865 to 1883 are in the 1884-1885 listing. It is there that I searched for Giuseppa's death date...

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby rp76226 » 29 May 2015, 16:51

Thank you so very much. That means that my wife's grandfather lost both parents by age 7. I wonder who took care of him. Possibly his grandmother since I think this record implies
that Francesco's mother was alive at the time of his death and was likely in her 70s. If her death record could be found, that would add another generation.

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Re: Help finding an Allegati death record

Postby Tessa78 » 29 May 2015, 22:23

rp76226 wrote:Thank you so very much. That means that my wife's grandfather lost both parents by age 7. I wonder who took care of him. Possibly his grandmother since I think this record implies
that Francesco's mother was alive at the time of his death
and was likely in her 70s. If her death record could be found, that would add another generation.

Ron


Hi Ron, :-)

Francesco' s mother, Maria Giovanna di Figlia, was deceased at the time of his death. That is the word you see after her name "defunta"

Francesco was born about 1810... there is a slim possibility that a record was made of his birth.

You also wrote:
Somewhere in the allegati records for Petralia Soprano (between 1864-1882) should also be the death record for Francesco Cerami. However, I know of no way to find it other than trying to go through every page of allegati records for those years which is more than I can handle. I do not know why his wife's death record was mentioned in their son's allegati marriage record, but not his, since the civil record of that marriage indicates that he was deceased too.


The extract of Francesco Cerami's death IS included in the allegati... and it is the same # and year that I posted of the original... #19 in 1864 :-)
Here is the link in the allegati...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,246055901

It should be noted that in the original death act for Francesco Cerami, as well as the extract in the allegati, "Maestro Francesco Cerami coniuge in terzo luogo di Giuseppa Barbera" which states that Francesco was the spouse in the third place of Giuseppa Barbera.

Here also is the link to the publication of the banns in Cerda.
I could not find a banns in Petralia Soprana. Perhaps it was because Leonardo was a resident of Cerda, though born in Petralia Soprana.
In the banns (at the bottom where it lists the documents presented by the couple) it indicates that included were 2 death acts of the parents of the groom. The documents listed were all included in the allegati. :-)
Banns posted on 11, 18 and 21 June.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,247190501

T.


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