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Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby fedems82 » 01 Jul 2015, 08:53

Hi friends,

I'm an Argentinean guy trying to find my maternal grandfather Italian records, he had immigrated to Argentina around 1900.

Here is data and dates that I found so far:

My Great grandfather died in Argentina at 1961 with 68 years old, so I've calculated the birth year from there, I got his parents names and place of birth from his marriage certificate.

Francesco Scrugli was born in ~1893 in Catanzaro (don't know exactly which commune of Catanzaro)
His father was Gaetano Scrugli and his mother Concetta Restuccia.

Is there anyone who can tell where to start to get his birth record?

Thanks,
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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby TerraLavoro » 01 Jul 2015, 21:32

Are you sure it was Catanzaro? From what I can see, there are no listings of people with the last name of Scrugli in Catanzaro province today.

Here is a list of towns showing the number of individuals with the last name of Scrugli in descending order by number. I will also check for the name Restuccia, and post what I find.

Scrugli 89.90 Tropea Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 28.42 Vibo Valentia Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 15.25 San Ferdinando Reggio Calabria
Scrugli 9.93 Parghelia Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 5.60 Cosenza Cosenza
Scrugli 5.22 Ricadi Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 4.56 Filogaso Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 4.06 Filadelfia Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 3.62 Maierato Vibo Valentia
Scrugli 2.89 Paola Cosenza
Scrugli 2.83 Cittanova Reggio Calabria
Scrugli 2.35 Joppolo Vibo Valentia
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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby TerraLavoro » 01 Jul 2015, 21:36

Here are the results for the last name Restuccia:

Restuccia 103.40 Joppolo Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 84.56 Rombiolo Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 45.60 Nicotera Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 36.00 Rosarno Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 32.48 Vibo Valentia Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 25.61 Filandari Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 21.77 San Calogero Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 21.12 Cosoleto Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 18.02 Reggio di Calabria Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 15.05 Limbadi Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 8.64 Falerna Catanzaro
Restuccia 7.82 Tropea Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 7.34 Pizzo Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 5.22 Ricadi Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 5.14 Ionadi Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 4.80 Melicuccà Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 4.16 Spilinga Vibo Valentia
Restuccia 3.21 Melicucco Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 3.11 Cirò Marina Crotone
Restuccia 3.10 Rossano Cosenza
Restuccia 3.01 Bagnara Calabra Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 2.96 Catanzaro Catanzaro
Restuccia 2.92 Melissa Crotone
Restuccia 2.89 Paola Cosenza
Restuccia 2.88 Lamezia Terme Catanzaro
Restuccia 2.83 Cittanova Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 2.80 Amantea Cosenza
Restuccia 2.80 Cosenza Cosenza
Restuccia 2.77 Motta San Giovanni Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 2.77 Terranova Sappo Minulio Reggio Calabria
Restuccia 2.70 Palmi Reggio Calabria
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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby TerraLavoro » 01 Jul 2015, 21:47

Have you tried to find his death certificate and ship manifest in an attempt to determine his town of birth
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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby fedems82 » 02 Jul 2015, 05:01

Thanks for your fast reply,

I'm not sure if it was in the Catanzaro commune, however I'm sure that was Catanzaro province at least, I was able to find his death certificate from Argentina's records and it doesn't say the birth date, however in the birth place it says Catanzaro (don't know if it was referring to the province or the commune).

And regarding the ship manifest, I successfully found it yesterday in a website, the ship manifest doesn't contains his birth place, just the port of Genova in which he boarded the ship.

Ship manifest record:
http://www.ciseionline.it/KMS/Dettagli_ ... ?id=895191

Don't know exactly how to continue gathering more information, is there any civil record archive from the communes that you sent me in which I can try to search?

Any help would be really appreciated,

Thanks again

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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby fedems82 » 15 Jul 2015, 01:26

Hi guys,

do you think about any other document or source of information that could help me?

Thanks

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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby Tessa78 » 15 Jul 2015, 02:18

These sites provide access to some civil registrations (births, marriages, deaths) in Province of Catanzaro...

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... Catanzaro/

https://familysearch.org/search/image/i ... %3D2043789

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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby suanj » 15 Jul 2015, 07:18

Hi,
I am more positive abt Vibo Valentia province, as birth area, because this province is recent from 1992), and many Communes belonged to Catanzaro province (before of 1992 )... I believe that a possible birthplace could be Tropea or surroundings towns...
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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby adelfio » 15 Jul 2015, 16:09

Can we see the death record or a link to it?


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Re: Need help finding my great grandfather exact birth date and commune

Postby fedems82 » 22 Apr 2016, 04:46

Thanks for your reply guys,

I saw these replies a little bit late, hope that still would be useful my reply.

Here is my great grandfather death record link:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D ... hoto%2cjpg

A month ago I sent emails to the anagrafe address of each comune listed in TerraLavoro's reply. So far I get some negative responses from the comunes, but still I'm waiting a lot of replies.

Do you think in any other way to gather more information about my great grandfather exact birth location?

Thanks to all


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