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Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 02 Jul 2015, 19:25

Does anyone have any information on Giuseppe Bartoli (Bertoli or Brotali)? According to a May 19, 1882 newspaper article, "nearly all Italian immigrants come to New York on consignment to Giusepp Brotali, an Italian money lender. He advances passage money, $18, and they come subject to his orders." That same month, another article reported that Italians "are being imported by thousands by Giuseppo Brotali, who keeps a labor bureau in Baxter Street."

I found a listing for him in the Manhattan Corporate Directory 1904. That is all I can find.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby ffusiak » 03 Jul 2015, 13:24

I just did a Proquest search of historic NY Times articles and I only found one items. It was a property transfer 414 East 11th Street from Biagio Bartoli to Giuseppe Bartoli 25 East 86 Street for mtg $7000. I doubt this is your person. The other spelling did not yield anything.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 03 Jul 2015, 18:53

Thank you for letting me know about that. Is Proquest a subscription service? I haven't found the NY Times on a no-charge archive.

I found a Giuseppe Bartoli on Trow's 1904 Copartnership and Corporate Directory for New York City. He was at 219 E. 23rd Street with Martino Martinelli and Vergilio Baldera. Unfortunately, their occupations weren't listed.

I did find the article in several other 1882 newspapers. In one, the Italian vice-consul, M. C. Marefoschi, was asked about him. Mr. Marefoschi said he didn't know of Giuseppe or his business. He did give an interesting account of the reasons Italians chose to emigrate here and blamed agents of the Anchor Line for misrepresenting conditions in the U.S. "They represent to the simple countrymen that the streets of New York are filled with gold."

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 04 Jul 2015, 17:19

Hi Joe,
I believe that this is Giuseppe Bartoli in 1905:
Geo Bartolio
New York, State Census, 1905
Name: Geo Bartolio
Residence Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 57
Birth Year (Estimated): 1848
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Race: W
Page: 32

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Marcus Ricter Head M 50y United States
Essibetta Watson Head F 58y Ireland
Lizzie Watson Daughter F 34y United States
Margret Watson Daughter F 33y United States
Dan J Scott Head M 42y United States
Ella Scott Wife F 42y United States
Chas Falders Head M 30y Cuba
Julia Falders Wife F 28y United States
Ellen Falders Daughter F 1y United States
Jas Conkling Head M 38y United States
Mary Conkling Wife F 37y British Columbia
Mary Conkling Daughter F 12y United States
Arthur Conkling Son M 2y United States
Rose Sumatre Head F 37y Bohemia
Geo Bartolio Head M 57y Italy
Martin Martinelli Boarder M 27y Italy
Frank Martinelli Boarder M 16y Italy

the address is correct but he don't was a contractor, but a marble worker...
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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 04 Jul 2015, 17:38

I believe that is the same person of 1905 census, also if the surname spelling is a bit different, but I believe right Bartoli spelling and changed on USA records:
Joseph Bartholdo
United States Census, 1900
Name: Joseph Bartholdo
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Borough of Manhattan, Election District 1 New York City Ward 20, New York County, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Years Married: 26
Birth Date: Oct 1847
Birthplace: Italy
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1874
Immigration Year: 1899
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Joseph Bartholdo Head M 53 Italy
Itala Bartholdi Son M 22 Italy
Foscolo Bartholdi Son M 11 Italy
statuary profession....
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1325221
the son Foscolo, arrived in USA on 1899:


Foscolo Bartoli

New York, Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)

Given Name: Foscolo
Surname: Bartoli
Last Place of Residence: Bagui Di ...
Event Date: 06 Jun 1899
Age: 9y
Nationality: Italian
Departure Port: Napoli
Arrival Port: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: S
Ship Name: Manilla
with father Giuseppe BARTOLI, and joining at friend Martinelli
so no doubts... coming from Bagni di Lucca
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/s ... SUYiOw==/1
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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby ffusiak » 04 Jul 2015, 18:43

I have access to Proquest and about 10-20 historical newspapers via my local library for free.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby ffusiak » 04 Jul 2015, 23:12

I found another reference to a Giuseppe Bartoli but in a Vermont newspaper written in Italian on the bottom of the second column Comunicati.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/ ... d-1/seq-4/

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 05 Jul 2015, 10:39

from what I read,
for Mr A. Bini decesead and buried, uncle of Giuseppe Bartoli, it was ordered a statue for the Bini grave, sold from Pietro Rattazzi, and bought from Giuseppe Bartoli, but with money collected from Teobaldo Rossi( he asked money to Italians friends of Bini, to place a statue on his grave), well the statue was a real piece of crap, and the italians in Barre that given the money, asked explanations, why the money was spent for a so orrible statue..
and the italians asked to Teobaldo Rossi of to give back the orrible statue to Pietro Rattazzi.... but Teobaldo Rossi no replied, and just said that the responsability was of Rattazzi and Bartoli..
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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 05 Jul 2015, 20:33

Hi Suanj and FF,

Thank you both for your help. It is possible that the Giuseppe Brotali I found ("Brotali" was the newspaper spelling) was the same man as the Giuseppe Bartoli you found. Maybe the 1882 newspaper articles were a sign that his immigration/consignment business had come under government scrutiny. Maybe, if he was forced to close that business, he started another as a dealer in marble products, as you have found.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 05 Jul 2015, 20:58

About Giuseppe Brotali, I found about 12 articles on the Library of Congress site (free) and about 10 different articles on the GenealogyBank.com site (subscription). May 18, 1882: "The New York correspondent of the Philadelphia Ledger explains how it is that so many Italians come here with no money. An intelligent Italian said to the former: 'Most of us have come to New York on consignment to Giuseppo Brotali, an Italian capitalist; he advances our passage money, $18, and we come subject to his orders. We sign papers both in Italy and here, stating that each of us is willing to pay $5 a month for twelve consecutive months to Brotali, in consideration of his having advanced the necessary funds to bring us to America. We are ignorant in the ways of this country and Brotali is a man of large information . . .'"

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 06 Jul 2015, 07:36

Well Joe, I believe that Giuseppe Bartoli, marble worker, friend of Martino Martinelli appearing in the 1904 directory as a well in the cesuses and in the barre, Vermont article abt statue on Bini grave, it is no the Giuseppe Brotali that you are searching for... the man in 1882 newspaper's articles
I believe 2 different person..... I found others Giuseppe Bartoli:
1.
Guiseppe Bartoli
United States Italians to America Index
Name: Guiseppe Bartoli
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 10 Jul 1880
Event Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: Laborer
Ship Name: Zeeland
Birth Year (Estimated): 1830
Departure Port: Antwerp
Literacy: Unknown
Destination Place: USA
Transit or Travel Compartment: Staying in the USA [Transit]; Steerage [Travel]
Affiliate Manifest ID: 00021390
Affiliate ARC Identifier: 1746097
Affiliate Publication Title: Italians to America Passenger Data File, 1855-1900
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD41-KXN
http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_searc ... id=8478512

2.
Jose Bartoli
New York, Passenger Lists
Name: Jose Bartoli
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1873
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year (Estimated): 1833
Birthplace: Italy
Ship Name: Tyleee

3.
Guisippe De Bartolo
New York, Passenger Lists
Name: Guisippe De Bartolo
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1882
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Birth Year (Estimated): 1830
Birthplace: Italy
Ship Name: Victoria
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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 06 Jul 2015, 10:28

Hi Suanj,

I agree, and if Giuseppe Brotali had grown wealthy from his immigration/consignment trade by 1882, he must have been in the U.S. before that time. His business may have required him to travel back and forth to Italy, so he may appear in several ship manifests.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 06 Jul 2015, 11:56

ok Joe, I also found this trip:


De Bartolo

New York, Passenger Lists

Name: De Bartolo
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1883
Event Place: New York City, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Birth Year (Estimated): 1839
Birthplace: Italy
Ship Name: Britannia
coming from Cancello town ( current: Cancello e Arnone, Caserta province)
I believe that we cannot find more because the surname is misspelled, we cannot know the right spelling..
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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby joetucciarone » 06 Jul 2015, 23:26

Hi Suanj,

Thank you very much for finding another record. Unfortunately, I think you are right - we cannot know the correct spelling of Giuseppe's last name.

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Re: Giuseppe Bartoli, New York contractor

Postby suanj » 07 Jul 2015, 21:04

Hi Joe,
it could be , the spelling, also BRATTOLI.. Brattoli surname is popular in Bari area...
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