Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

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Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Danica_Wales » 11 Aug 2015, 19:29

Hi all!
I'm a Brazilian living in Wales, UK and
I'm trying to get hold of my great-grandparents's birth and marriage certificates.
I know their names and where they lived, but I haven't got (exact) dates.
The names are Emanuele Pescuma (or Pescinna) and Antonia Maria Galipola(or Garipela). They were from (or at least lived in) Venosa, Potenza and left for Brasil from Genova, on a ship called "Minas", between December 1901 and February 1902. He had his wife and three children with him: Maria Rosaria (9 y.o. ), Angelo (5 y.o.) and Maria (1 )y.o.

Has anyone got the same surname or know anything about this family back in Venosa? Or a family tree?

Please let me know!

Many, many thanks!
Grazie mille! :)
Dani

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2015, 01:52

Ciao, Dani! :-)

Welcome to the forum!

We can start with their youngest child on arrival... her full name was Rosa Maria Pescuma.
Birth Act #381
Dated 30 November 1900 in Venosa
Born on 26 November to
Emmanuele [Pescuma], 36, peasant farmer residing in Venosa
and to Antonia Maria Garripoli, his wife, peasant farmer residing with him
Child was born at the house at Vico S. Nicola #37
She was given the name ROSA MARIA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,59045501

Marriage of Emmanuele Pescuma and Antonia Maria Garripoli in 1891
Dated 6 June at 11 AM at the town office in Venosa
Groom: Emmanuele Pescuma, age 25, peasant farmer born in Venosa, residing in Venosa, son of Angelo [Pescuma] who resides in Venosa; and of Maria Rosaria Caputo who resides in Venosa.
AND
Bride: Antonia Maria Garripoli, age 20, peasant farmer born in Venosa and residing in Venosa, daughter of deceased Biase who resided in Venosa, and of deceased Mattia Mastrangelo who resided in Venosa...
Publication of Banns were on 17 and 24 May 1891
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,57879301

Birth of Emmanuele Pescuma in 1865 in Venosa
#175
Dated 26 August 1865 at 3 PM at the town office
Appeared Teresa Zaccagnino, daughter of Pasquale, age 40, a midwife residig in Venosa, to present a male child who she declared was born to Angelica Mettola age 23, residing in Venosa, and to her husband Rocco Maria Pescuma, 26, mason residing in Venosa, [child born] on day 25 of the said month at 1 PM at the home of the married couple.
This child was given the name EMMANUELE
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,54631001

Birth Act of Antonia Maria Garripoli in 1870 in Venosa

#325
Dated 10 December 1870 at 10 AM at the town office
Before the official appeared
Biase Garripoli [son of deceased Vito], age 46, peasant farmer residing here, to present a female child who he declared was born yesterday, the 9th of the current month at 9 PM to his wife Mattia Mastrangelo, residing with him at Vico San Nicola #17, and the child was given the name ANTONIA MARIA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,58665001

AND the other two children

#100 - born on 11 April 1896 - Angelo
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,54620301
#472 - born on 29 December 1892 - Maria Rosaria
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,56074301

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Danica_Wales » 13 Aug 2015, 10:31

Oh my God, Tessa!
Are you an angel, or what???
I so wish I could give you a big hug right now!
You have no idea how long I've been looking for these documents... It's been about 10 years!!!
Where did you find them? Can we find more documents, you think?
Grazie mille!!!

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2015, 11:19

Glad to help! :D

The links I provided above are for free site Family Search
https://familysearch.org/

There are online records for Venosa (in Italian) from about 1861 - 1929
https://familysearch.org/search/image/i ... %3D1483052

I think the birth record for Emmanuele is incorrect. Wrong parents based on his marriage record. :(

I will search again. :D

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Marriage of parents of Antonia Maria Garripoli on 26 October 1863
Biase Angelo Raffaele Garripoli was age 38, peasant farmer son of deceased Vito, and of deceased Anna Maria Belluscio
Mattia Mastrangelo was age 39, daughter of Domenico and of Rosa Di Chirico

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,52928501

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Postby Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2015, 12:16

Here is the CORRECT birth act for Emmanuele Pescuma in 1865.
#156
Born 6 August 1865
Father: Angelo Pescuma, 30
Mother: Maria Rosaria Caputo, 21

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,54631001
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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Danica_Wales » 13 Aug 2015, 20:49

Hi Tessa!

Thanks a million for that! I've tried doing searches on the familysearch.org website, but all my searches are coming back with no results.. I might be doing something wrong... I'm looking for the birth certificate of my grandfather, son of Emmanuele Pescuma and Antonia Maria Garripoli, who was born in Brasil, on 4th January 1904 in Ribeirao Preto, Sao Paulo. We can't find his birth certificate anywhere. We've looked for it in four different registry offices. He got married to Regina Lombardi on 6th June 1925 in Ururai, Sao Paulo, but it could have also been in Santa Adelia, Sao Paulo. Regina's parents were Joao Lombardi and Rosalia Capucci (Brazilian names, I imagine).

Do you think you can help me find it? Or at least point me in the right direction so I can research myself? :)

Thanks, again.
Dani.

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2015, 21:15

Hi Dani! :-)

You are probably getting no hits because you are using the database search (filling in the blanks with name, etc.)

You will need to search the records themselves as some (usually the ones in another language) are not indexed by record.
I will tell you how to do that.

But first, do you know the name of the parish church in Ribeirao Preto in which your grandfather was baptized? I have found some records for two churches... Nossa Senhora do Rosário and São Sebastião.

I will search both using the date of birth you gave me.

BTW - what was your grandfather's given name? did I miss it somewhere in the posts?

T.

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Postby Danica_Wales » 13 Aug 2015, 22:01

Hi Tess!

Thanks again. His name was Braz (or Bras) Pesconi.

Dani x

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Aug 2015, 22:40

I have been searching the Catholic Church records in Ribeirao Preto, but have not found your GF.. It appears that they often did not have their children baptized within a week of the birth. Some were baptized months after. I have covered page by page the records for January - March 1904, but have not found him...

As to the method of searching.
When you open the search page in FamilySearch you will see "Search Historical Records" (this is where you fill in the blanks) and you will see "Research by Location" If you choose the Location option you will see lists of the collections and can choose a country, etc. You are looking for the "image only" records, not the ones that are indexed.

Within that you may also have choices - AND you will eventually "Browse the records."
Most are sorted by years and types of records and that is where you will need to search.

Here is the link you will get if you choose to search Brazil records...
Scroll down on this link to see the list of image only records for Brazil.
https://familysearch.org/search/collect ... on/1927159

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Danica_Wales » 14 Aug 2015, 09:50

Hi Tessa! Thanks a million again for that.

I went there and spent most part of the night researching (am exhausted this morning.. :)), but as I was doing it on my mobile phone, it wasn't so efficient. hehe
Do you think you could also find the death certificates of Emmanuele Pescuma and Antonia Maria Garripoli? Perhaps it would help us find my GF's birth certificate... I've got my grandpa's marriage and death certificate, if you'd like to see it. It could help?

Sorry, I'm asking so many questions/favours...

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Postby Tessa78 » 14 Aug 2015, 14:41

Danica_Wales wrote:Hi Tessa! Thanks a million again for that.

I went there and spent most part of the night researching (am exhausted this morning.. :)), but as I was doing it on my mobile phone, it wasn't so efficient. hehe
Do you think you could also find the death certificates of Emmanuele Pescuma and Antonia Maria Garripoli? Perhaps it would help us find my GF's birth certificate... I've got my grandpa's marriage and death certificate, if you'd like to see it. It could help?

Sorry, I'm asking so many questions/favours...

Dani.


Yes, that might help :-)

Try posting the images with http://www.postimage.org
Upload and then copy and paste the URL for forums1

Do you know the approx. years of death of Emmanuele and Antonia Maria?

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Postby Danica_Wales » 14 Aug 2015, 14:51

Thanks! Do I need to register?

Is it going to be public for everyone to see? Can I delete it after you see it?

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Postby Tessa78 » 14 Aug 2015, 14:54

If you wish, you can post it in a PM (private message to me) - that way you do not have to delete from this public forum...

You can use the Private messages link next to your sign-in above.

To use postimage - I do not believe you have to register...

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Re: Birth and marriage certificate of great-grandparents - Surname: Pescuma; origin: Venosa, Potenza

Postby Tessa78 » 14 Aug 2015, 15:36

Thank you.
I will look through them to see if they offer any additional information that may help in the search for his birth record.

Do you have the approx. dates of death for his parents?

T.


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