Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

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Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 27 Oct 2015, 22:17

Hi folks
can anyone tell me why the Atto di Matrimonio (1895) was documented in the town-hall of my great-grandfather, Vito Oliveri, and not in the town-hall of my great-grandmother, Mattea Celi? At the time he was living in Villabate (Palermo) and she in Letojanni (Messina).

Weren't marriages supposed always to be conducted in the comune of the bride?

Another question: the civil registration of the marriage is the exactly same date as the bride's 17th birthday. Just a coincidence or was that the minimum legal age for marriage? Then why is it mentioned that the marriage has been approved by the bride's mother?

Finally, where should I focus my research for finding the Allegati documents? The act indicates that at least some of the documents (pubblicazioni) where recorded in both town-halls. I am especially interested in finding the Atto di Solenne Promessa di Celebrare il Matrimonio.

Original record here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-32378-33655-44?cc=2051639&wc=M9SX-9MJ:n111345133

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 28 Oct 2015, 01:45

Heres the 1894 marriage publication of Vito Oliveri and Mattea Celi in Letojanni (Messina) in parte 2 of the registry
Then why is it mentioned that the marriage has been approved by the bride's mother?
Father was deceased so mother consented
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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby carubia » 28 Oct 2015, 02:45

sertolicell wrote:Weren't marriages supposed always to be conducted in the comune of the bride?

No. They usually were in the bride's comune, but they didn't have to be. Sometimes they took place in a comune different from both the groom's and bride's.

sertolicell wrote:Another question: the civil registration of the marriage is the exactly same date as the bride's 17th birthday. Just a coincidence or was that the minimum legal age for marriage?
A coincidence. Depending on the year, the legal minimum age for the bride was either 15 or 12.

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 28 Oct 2015, 15:03

Many thanks Marty and Carubia!
I haven't seen the Letojanni record before. Very interesting!

I might add that I just discovered that Mattea Celi was about two months pregnant at the wedding, since their firstborne child, Antonino, is born 7 August the same year:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-32378-34039-27?cc=2051639&wc=MCT9-92S:351055601,353776201,353786501

So that may well explain the "hurry" in getting married at age 17. But I still find the date being exactly the same as her birthday somewhat puzzling, but I guess I have to accept it is pure coincidence (or perhaps an extra "birthday present"... :) )

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 28 Oct 2015, 15:08

Btw:
where would you think it most likely to find the Allegati matrimoniali documents - Villabate or Letojanni? I would really like to locate especially the Atto Solenne Promessa to find out more about the grand-parents (names) of Mattea.

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 28 Oct 2015, 15:10

Sorry, I suppose the Letojanni publication would be identical to Atto Solenne, right ... (?)

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby carubia » 28 Oct 2015, 15:28

Whose Atto di Solenne Promessa are you looking for? Those records didn't exist after 1865, instead being replaced by the Pubblicazioni and Atto di Matrimonio. Why would you expect to find grandparents' names in there, unless you mean the marriage record for her parents?

The Allegati would be where the Pubblicazioni was originally. Depending on the reason why the record in Letojanni was in Part II, it may be that you'd find them in Villabate.

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 28 Oct 2015, 17:48

This would be in the allegati
Birth record of Mattea Celi
Index#1
1878 Jan 6th in the town of Letojanni in a house on via San Giuseppe birth of Mattea Celi daughter of Mario Celi age 30 sculptor and his wife Concetta Pagano

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 28 Oct 2015, 18:42

Marriage of Mario Celi and Concetta Pagano

Index#7
1873 Mar 1st in the town of Letojanni appeared Mario Celi age 22 sculptor born 12/21/1850 in Gallodoro and resides in Letojanni son of Maestro Salvatore Celi and Nunziata Chirieleison to marry Concetta Pagano age 24 born 1/19/1849 in Gallodoro and resides in Letojanni daughter of Giuseppe Pagano butcher and Carmela Ricca
Gallodoro used to be a frazione of Letojanni now its a comune
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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 28 Oct 2015, 19:46

Marty,
I cannot thank you enough for providing me this information.

Seeing for the first time these four names of Mattea Celi's grand-parents in fact completes my ancestor pedigree chart to the level of the 32 great-great-great grandparents.

What a nice surprise! :D :D :D

Many thanks
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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby sertolicell » 28 Oct 2015, 21:29

Marty,
thanks your efforts I've just located the Allegati documents which include a copy of the birth act of Mario Celi and hence the age of his parents:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23860-10931-63?cc=1887904&wc=93L9-SP6:179050301,179050302

Wonderful :)

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 28 Oct 2015, 22:41

Glad to help in your researching
You saw that Mario Celi was baptized in the church of San Giuseppe in Letojanni its still there heres info
PARROCCHIA S. GIUSEPPE
Corso Vittorio Emanuele - 223
98037 Letojanni (ME)
Italy
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https://www.google.com/search?q=church+ ... HkB9dYY%3D

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 28 Oct 2015, 23:38

Heres Nunziata Celi age 8 death record daughter of Mario Celi and Concetta Pagano

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 29 Oct 2015, 01:04

Death record of Mario Celi his daughter Nunziata entry is next in the registry died 1882 Dec 12th

Index#34
1882 Nov 23rd in the town of Letojanni in a house in Corso Reitano death of Mario Celi age 30 Impiegato (clerk) born and resides in Letojanni husband of Concetta Pagano son of deceased Salvatore Celi and Nunziata Chirieleison

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Re: Why the act of marriage in groom's town hall?

Postby adelfio » 29 Oct 2015, 01:33

Death record of Salvatore Celi (Mario Celi dad)
Index#8
1876 April 6th in the town of Letojanni in a house on via San Giuseppe #176 the death of Salvatore Celi age 45 shoemaker born and resides in Letojanni husband of the living Nunziata Chirieleison son of deceased Mario Celi and the living Giuseppa Pavone

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