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Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio & Cors

Postby ladbrandy » 20 Sep 2005, 00:20

HI.

I have been searching for hours on end. If anyone knows a trick to find my relatives I would appreciate it. My trial at ancestry ends today.

Domenico Colantonio born 1870, immigrated 1893 from Italy.

Did find Domenico Colonino (age 23) arrival 1893, ship Entella from S. Biase (san Biase?) Could this be him? Didnt see any other info.

His wife is Angelina Colantonio, maiden name Meo, born 1873, immigrated
1896 with daughter Beatrice, born 1893

The other family is Alexander Corsino born 1888, immigrated 1905 with wife Clara (maiden name Giancola, born S America). According to WW1 draft card, from Fontanarosa, if I can read it properly.

Now what do I do, I have searched with soundex etc, cant find them.
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby VaDeb » 20 Sep 2005, 01:14

Hi,

It is possible the record you are looking for is not available on ancestry.com. Not all immigration records are. All ports are not available on-line. Some are only available on microfilm.

Lets start with Domenico Colantonio was born in 1870 and immigrated in 1893. How do you know his year of immigration? Have you found him on US census reports to indicate a year of immigration.

Information on a passenger record depends on the year of immigration. The 1893 record you mention (This would be Ellis Island) has to be read careful. Look for the destination. Does this match a known destination for the immigrant?

Some ancestors "hide" from us and if you start with the present and work backwards you will the clues you need to "find" them. It often means correctly identifying the record correct source to look in.

What exactly do you mean by "I have searched with soundex, etc and can't find them?" Do you mean immigration or other records?
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby ladbrandy » 20 Sep 2005, 02:08

Hi Debbie,

I have located both families on the US census from 1900 to 1930 (Corsinos from 1910-1930). They settled in Boston and Chelsea, MA
Thats where I got the immigration dates and dates of birth.
I used soundex and searches on Ellis Island and Ancestry.com.

My next step is to contact the cemetary where they are buried.

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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 20 Sep 2005, 10:50

Hi Karen,

The manifests below were mis-links... which make it even more challenging to locate... especially if you are new to research. It is even more difficult to locate when the names are mis-transcribed....

Here is a manifest of interest. It shows an Angela Mio and a daughter Beatrice age 3 off to Boston. Year of birth for both is very good.

They are from the town of Frosolone, Campobasso.

Both surnames Colantuono and Meo are present in Frosolone. The surnames Corsini and Colantuono are both present in Fontanarosa...

Ship: Massilia, July 21, 1896

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9416/beatrice2tw.jpg

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8029 ... the5zr.jpg

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Here is another manifest of interest....

This is how the Castle Gardens Org. http://www.castlegarden.org/ input his information.... which seems to be a good transcription...

Domo. Colantuono Peasant age 23 M, 22 May 1893, Italy, ship Burgundia

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This is the exact same person... an Ellis Island transcription...

First Name: Comc.
Last Name: Colanbuono
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: Frosalone, Italy
Date of Arrival: May 22, 1893
Age at Arrival:  23y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:    
Ship of Travel: Burgundia
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0741

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Boat info...
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3364 ... der6xw.jpg

Manifest
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9545/domcol8wt.jpg

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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby ladbrandy » 20 Sep 2005, 19:34

Oh My!! I am so excited! You got it exactly. I dont know how you did it, but you must be an expert. Now I know the town they are from and perhaps the correct last name as Colantuono, which was later changed to Colantonio in Boston. That is so awesome.

Maybe I will look for the Corsino's under Corsini and see how that goes.
Of course they later changed their name to Casino.

As a side note the Colantuono family you found for me went on to have 11 children!

Can I repay you in anyway? I can send you something via paypal if I had your email.

Thanks,

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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 20 Sep 2005, 20:38

Hi Karen, nice to hear from you.

Please continue to research as many of the American documents as you can in order to confirm your ancestral town/s. The name Colantuonio does exist in Fontanrosa as well as Frosolone, but only a handful, same with Corsino... just one?? The WW1 draft card was also a great clue.
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As for Alessandro, I am curious to know about his marriage with Clara. You mentioned that she was S. American and that they immigrated in 1905. I guess she made her way from S. America to Italy where she met Alessandro... and then made their way to the USA in 1905?

The other family is Alexander Corsino born 1888, immigrated 1905 with wife Clara (maiden name Giancola, born S America). According to WW1 draft card, from Fontanarosa, if I can read it properly.

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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby ladbrandy » 20 Sep 2005, 23:16

HI,

I will give my support.

You are right about the Corsinos not making sense. I looked at the census printouts I have and they are all different.
The 1910 census shows immigration for Clara 1896 and Alex 1906
1920 census shows immig Clara 1891 and Alex 1904
1930 census shows immig for both as 1905.

I know Alex is born in 1888 for definate and it shows them as having the same age at the censuses.

I dont see them on any 1900 census and I know in 1910 census no children are listed and then in 1911 my grandmother was born so I am now guessing they met here in the USA and got married here?
Maybe she traveled here with her parents from S America in the 1890's?
(Giancola name) My mother did say she, Clara had a brother here and her parents were living here too.

I looked at Italian naming traditions to try and figure out some clues to Clara's parents names. So the second male was Angelo and second female born was Nellie, with that in mind I did find Angelo and Nunziata Giancola coming from Brazil to New York, going on to Boston in 1898, originally from Campobasso , daughter Carmela age 9 (right age, could this be Clara?) Also says they had been to Boston before in 1894, found just a record of Angelo coming from Campobasso to New york then Boston for year 1894 with correct age. I lost my trial to ancestry.com so I cant find any 1900 census records for them. Do you think I have it right?

Would the cemetary where they are buried have her parents name on a record? Is that where I get the death certificate info? Or is the cemetary just good for tombstone info?

Thanks again,
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby brujaojos » 21 Sep 2005, 01:59

Hi There,

Mfjp great job finding the manifest.:)

Karen, the Family History Center has microfilm for the town of
Fontanarosa. Here is the link for the film numbers.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... =1&last=50

Here is the link for the film numbers for the town of Frosolone
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... =1&last=50

Here is the link to find the nearest Family History Center
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... et_fhc.asp

At the Family History Center you can order the microfilm and search for the Birth, Marriage, and Death Acts of your ancestors.

Karen you wrote the following:

Would the cemetary where they are buried have her parents name on a record? Is that where I get the death certificate info? Or is the cemetary just good for tombstone info?

If you have death dates of your ancestors, write for their death certificates for the State that they died in. You never know what kind of information could be on the death certificate.

If you know the cemetery, call them and see if they would nice enough to see if there are any other people in the cemetery with your surname. Also, ask if (an example is Clara) Clara is the plot owner for another plot. There you could find who is buried there.

An example: my g-grandmother was the plot ower even though she died before her husband, but when I looked into it further, it was because she buried her parents first. The person at the cemetery didn't know the people were related because they didn't know my g-grandmother's maiden name on they married name that she was buried under. (I hope that made sense.)

Also, if you believe your ancestors were married here, try to narrow down the date as much as possible and then send away to the County in the State that they were living. Marriage Records could have a lot of clues on them. And remember to always ask for the Marriage Application. It's the Marriage Application that has all the information on it. You may pay a little more for it, but it's worth having.

I hope this helps.
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 21 Sep 2005, 05:11

Hi,
lost my trial to ancestry.com so I cant find any 1900 census records for them. Do you think I have it right?


I think so! It's amazing how one little clue can just explode into dozens of other clues....

I will try to locate a 1900 census... if someone can find it sooner... go for it.

I too tried to search for Clara... but looked for the Italian name "Chiara" as well... I will also look at the manifests you described.

If you can find a Family History Center near you that has computers, you could use Ancestry.com there for free as well... best to phone ahead to see if an appointment is necessary.

Also, Trish gave you excellent advice, and wonderful resources... getting a marriage record would really help.

Spent a little time looking for Alessandro... he may be a tough one to find...
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City of Frosolone
http://en.comuni-italiani.it/094/022/index.html
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City of Fontanarosa, Avellino
http://en.comuni-italiani.it/064/033/
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Distance between Frosolone and Fontanaroso
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/euro ... solone&2z=
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 21 Sep 2005, 05:57

Hi Karen,

Can you provide the full names as transcribed from Ancestry.com for the following... also the County (etc.) that they were living in...

I would like to see the census records.

The 1910 census shows immigration for Clara 1896 and Alex 1906
1920 census shows immig Clara 1891 and Alex 1904
1930 census shows immig for both as 1905.


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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby ladbrandy » 21 Sep 2005, 06:10

HI,

1910 has last name Cosseino, Alexander and Clara, suffolk county, Boston

1920 census has last name Adesino, Suffolk county, Chelsea
I dont remember how I found that one!

1930 has Casino, Suffolk, Chelsea.

WW1 draft for Alexander Corsino says Fontanarosa, if anyone looks at it can you verify it says that, its hard to read.

I have a Family library center in the next town open 3 days a week, I may go when my daughter is in preschool or on weekend. Thank-you everyone for the links and the suggestions!
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby brujaojos » 21 Sep 2005, 06:50

ladbrandy wrote:HI,

1910 has last name Cosseino, Alexander and Clara, suffolk county, Boston

1920 census has last name Adesino, Suffolk county, Chelsea
I dont remember how I found that one!

1930 has Casino, Suffolk, Chelsea.

WW1 draft for Alexander Corsino says Fontanarosa, if anyone looks at it can you verify it says that, its hard to read.


Hi There,

On the 1910 Census, it states they were married either in 1909 and before April 1910. They weren't even married a year yet. So that's a good clue to find Marriage Certificate.

On the WWI Draft Cards, it does look like Fontanarosa to me.

Name: Alexander Corsino
City: Chelsea
County: Suffolk
State: Massachusetts
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1888
Roll: 1685169
DraftBoard: 2


Found this too for death information. I would try to get their death certificates in order to find out parent's names.

Name: Alexander Corsino
SSN: 032-05-0444
Last Residence: 02150 Chelsea, Suffolk, Massachusetts,
Born: 1 Nov 1888
Last Benefit: 02150 Chelsea, Suffolk, Massachusetts,
Died: Nov 19, 1978
Certificate: 049973
Death Place: Everett



Name: Clara Corsino
SSN: 034-14-4006
Last Residence: 02150 Chelsea, Suffolk, Massachusetts,
Born: 21 Nov 1888
Died: Nov 1967


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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 21 Sep 2005, 07:26

WW1 draft for Alexander Corsino says Fontanarosa, if anyone looks at it can you verify it says that, its hard to read.


It was the draft card that lead me to the proper spelling of Colantuono!... It seems like there was only one Colantuono family immigrating from Fontanarosa according to the Ellis Island database... Great clue...
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1920 census has last name Adesino, Suffolk county, Chelsea
I dont remember how I found that one!


I highly doubt that I would have found that one...
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Thanks to both for posting info up. :P

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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby VaDeb » 21 Sep 2005, 09:19

Hi Karen,

Maria and Trish are doing a great job in helping you. Saw you noted a FHC in the next town. Try checking your local library. Many have access to the library version of ancestry.com. If available at a library the hours are better! Also, some libraries have the ability to order LDS films. I would recommend checking the microfilm viewing options, where you decide to order film from. Do they have the ability to print copies of what you find? What magnification is available? Some also have the ability to save your images on a CD. Good luck.
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Re: Cant find immigration ship records for Colantonio &

Postby mfjp » 21 Sep 2005, 17:13

:P Good Morning :!:

Just to review... using the info Karen found on Angelo Giancola... (which I think is right on)...

1894
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 3673110071
First Name: Angelo (off to Boston) born 1862+-
Last Name: Giancola
Ethnicity: Italy
Last Place of Residence: Campobaus
Date of Arrival: Jun 02, 1894
Age at Arrival:  32y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:    
Ship of Travel: BRITANNIA
Port of Departure: NAPLES
Manifest Line Number: 0071
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1898
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2940020570
First Name: Angelo
Last Name: Giancola
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence: Macoca, S. Paulo, South America
Date of Arrival: Sep 27, 1898
Age at Arrival:  36y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  M  
Ship of Travel: Hevelius
Port of Departure: Rio de Janeiro
Manifest Line Number: 0015

Manifest mentions that he was in the USA in 1894
Angelo - off to join brother in law Domenico Perna... (probably the one born in 1855-living in MA, wife Celia.. and most likely from"Castellini", Italy)
Angelo travels with Wife Nunziata (Nancy), children Nicola age 11, Carmela age 9, Marrietta age 1 born in Brazil
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New info here.... something to really check out....

First Name: Alessandro

(have record... need to link soon.. just waiting for the school bus to get here)

...................................... travels with Vincenzo (James) Giancola)

Last Name: Caresini

Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South

Last Place of Residence: Castelli

Date of Arrival: Mar 31, 1906

Age at Arrival:  17y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:  S  
Ship of Travel: Bulgaria
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0014
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Town of interest, Castelli

http://en.comuni-italiani.it/067/012/
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What ties all this in is "Domenico Perna".... on the 1898 manifest... the surname Perna can be found in the town of Castellini... (something to look into)

The surname Giancola and Caresini can be found in Castelli...

Could this be the Corsini we are looking for?? What needs to be researched further are the towns Castelli and Castellini... same town maybe?

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