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Giancola in US census

Postby ladbrandy » 03 Oct 2005, 01:13

Hi,

I found a new piece, a birth record for a Mariana Giancola, 07-27-1892, Boston, Suffolk County, parents Angelo and Annunciata.

On the ship manifest when the family lived in Brazil it lists
Angelo Giancola, age 36, (born about 1862), wife Nunziata, age 34, son Nicolino age 11, daughter Carmela age 9, daughter Marietta age 1 born in Brazil, all going to Boston arriving 1898.

Also Angelo travels alone in 1894 Italy to Boston from Campobasso.

So my question is why cant I find them in the US census? Who is this Mariana, why isnt she on the ship manifest from Brazil? They lived originally in Italy, moved to Boston for a few years, then Brazil, then back to Boston, does this make sense?

I sent for the marriage record for Carmela and my great grandfather, in 1910 in Boston, maybe that will help.

Thank-you to anyone who can shed some light on this,

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby mfjp » 03 Oct 2005, 03:09

Am looking for a 1892 manifest... (one does exist for an Angelo) maybe they were in the USA earlier than thought...

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OK here's the manifest... though not much info... see line 704

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1583/giancola9zz.jpg

Ship info (name of boat date etc... no ancestors on this page...)
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3234/shipinfo7qp.jpg

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 03 Oct 2005, 14:15

Correct me if I am mistaken...but didn't we attempt to find census info
previously........??...........perhaps the name is badly mispelled.....where should they be in 1910, 20 and 30??
We have many more posters with census access........perhaps this time
we will locate them...... :wink:
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby ladbrandy » 03 Oct 2005, 18:59

They should be living in Boston Suffolk County or Chelsea Suffolk county is where Carmela ended up after she married.

I will try ancestry.com at my library at noon time today.

I will report back what I find.

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 03 Oct 2005, 20:41

Need someone to take a look at the following census......

GENOLA ANGELO 48 M W ITAL MA SUFFOLK 6-WD BOSTON 1910

wife is Nora, age 46........

will see what else I can find.....

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 03 Oct 2005, 21:00

Same family for 1920, immigration of 1891......
you can see how badly mispelled the name is from one census to the other.

GINGOMA ANGELO 58 M W ITAL MA SUFFOLK 5-WD CHELSEA 1920

This is as close to the name as I can find..... :roll:

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby mfjp » 03 Oct 2005, 21:47

Hi wldspirit,

Found the Gingoma one... and not him..

The other Genola has a wife listed as Nora, kids Mary, John, Michael, Nellie.

Angelo's wife should either be a Nancy or Nunziata, Nunsiata, Annunsiata etc...

Did find a Angelo Giancolas (something like that) in Ohio, 1900, as a boarder, profession -painter... married for 17 years... does not list any of the family. The boarder with him is also a painter. Born Oct. 1959.. just going on memory here...

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 03 Oct 2005, 22:46

I have not been able to find them in Suffolk....for the above family
I used search criteria of Angelo, no surname, born in Italy, approximate birth year...and that is as close as I came....... :(
elusive family............
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby ladbrandy » 04 Oct 2005, 00:51

Hi everyone,

Just back from the library. Its looks like a good match on the 1910 census for Angelo Genola, I know its Nora, but at least it does start with the same letter "N" as Nunziata. The image is really hard to read!

Carmela and Nicolino listed on the ship manifest are moved out and married, Marietta is probably Mary on the census, right age. (I think it says S. Am on her line for South America.
Then the new children John, Michael and Nellie (I know Carmela had a daughter called Nellie also)

Immigration 1891 makes sense, although I havent found that ship yet.
After it says number 24 (years married I think), it then says the number 10 for number of children. I am missing 3 children, maybe they died.

I'll have to look at the 1920 cenus record found too for Chelsea, I bet its a match. Now that I have some "American names" maybe I can write for the death certificates or try and find them at the cemetary.

edit: I looked at the Gingoma and its a match to the same family, and it shows daughter Mary as a married neighbor born in Brazil, right age.
I dont know which name to use to ask for death records, I guess Giancola with Nora, and I have no idea on date of death. I'll see how it goes. I wonder why I cant find them in the LDS search for Italy.

Thank-you!

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby mfjp » 04 Oct 2005, 01:11

Its looks like a good match on the 1910 census for Angelo Genola, I know its Nora, but at least it does start with the same letter "N" as Nunziata. The image is really hard to read!


sorry wldspirit... didn't think the name Nora had a chance :oops:

I can post here later... "Imageshack" is not up and running...

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here is the census

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/8310/genola2rm.jpg
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 04 Oct 2005, 02:35

Yes......same family from 1910 to 1920........but the ten children threw me
off as well, and I never noticed Mary born in S. Am., ........but the age of Angelo and "Nora" were right........

As I said above...this was as close as I could get.........
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* in the first column it list the number of children born to the mother, second column list number of children living......it looks like a 6...???
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby mfjp » 04 Oct 2005, 03:38

Great work wldspirit!!! :P

From Giancola, to Gingoma to Grudoma...

From Annunziata, Nunziata to Nora... go figure! 8O

Name: Angelo Grudoma
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Age: 58 years 
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1920: Chelsea Ward 5, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1891
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 04 Oct 2005, 11:59

Thanks Mfjp...... :D

Just hope it is the right family....

it certainly helps when you have more than one set of eyes
looking for census or manifest.........

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*just noticed...he owned his own home..which means there are
additional records to be found!!!!!!
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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby ladbrandy » 04 Oct 2005, 19:07

Hi,

If he owned his own home where do I find those records? What will they say?

I tried browsing the 1930 census using Heritage quest and after going through 200 pages for Chelsea Ward 5, it seemed to skip over 768 Broadway! Couldnt believe it. Found out yesterday I can access the census through my library card!

I checked LDS through all the Carmelas and all the Giancolas and came up with nothing. I'll write to the town of Chelsea today and try and get certificates.

I could never have done all this without you guys!

The sad part is my DH is going to Italy in a few days without me! He is going on a family trip (his mother and sisters from Ireland) to Rome. I get to stay home with 3 small kids and 2 dogs.

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Re: Giancola in US census

Postby wldspirit » 05 Oct 2005, 10:33

Maybe it's just me..... :oops: ....but in putting together my families past
I have pulled everything in way of records I could get my hands on...I even have the plat map of the cupi coal mine, when it was bought and sold....even though I knew where it was.....something to pass on to the next generation. And all records contain bits and pieces of info.....some are handy to have...others just interesting.
Here is a good link describing the multitude of records one can research........
http://www.genealogy.com/00000668.html
( for land )

and for others...
http://www.genealogy.com/00000394.html

best of luck.....
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