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Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 13 Apr 2016, 19:07

This morning I found what I believe to be the marriage record of my 3rd great grandfather, Benedetto Aceste.

I could use your help deciphering a few bits of information on this record:

1. The date of marriage.

2. The phrase "natum ex ince??is parenti??" (born of unknown parents, maybe?) after Bendedetto's name.

3. Antoniam Sciorttino's parents names.

Any help you can give me is much appreciated.

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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby erudita74 » 13 Apr 2016, 19:15

You haven't posted the record
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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 13 Apr 2016, 19:21

The first post is edited. Thanks!
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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby erudita74 » 13 Apr 2016, 19:47

Dated June 24, 1827
Banns of marriage were on the 3rd, 10th, and 14th of June and resulted in no impediments to the marriage
Groom: Benedetto Aceste was of uncertain parents
Bride: Antonina Sciorttino was the daughter of deceased Francesco Sciorttino and Margherita(?) Mirabella

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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 13 Apr 2016, 20:28

Thanks so much Erudita! That word for uncertain - is that incensis?
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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby erudita74 » 13 Apr 2016, 20:39

The word is incertis

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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 13 Apr 2016, 20:54

Ok. thanks!
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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby erudita74 » 13 Apr 2016, 21:55

Happy to help.
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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 15 Apr 2016, 14:55

I'm wondering now about the phrase "natum ex incertis parenti".

Does this phrase mean that Benedetto, a grown man at the time of his wedding, didn't know who his own parents were?

Or does it mean, perhaps, that no one present had knowledge of Benedetto's parents at the time the record was penned?

I'm hoping that Benedetto's parents will be written on his record of baptism.

Can someone tell me who the witnesses to this marriage may be?
Steve Acesta

Researching Calatafimi, Trapani
Surnames Aceste, Papa, Cusenza, Gruppuso, Sciortino, Sparacino, Zito, and Vona.

Researching Montevago, Agrigento (Girgenti)
Surnames Infranco, La Rocca, Mandina, Bilello, Cacioppo, and Cardino.

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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby liviomoreno » 15 Apr 2016, 16:28

sacesta wrote:I'm wondering now about the phrase "natum ex incertis parenti".

Does this phrase mean that Benedetto, a grown man at the time of his wedding, didn't know who his own parents were?

Or does it mean, perhaps, that no one present had knowledge of Benedetto's parents at the time the record was penned?

I'm hoping that Benedetto's parents will be written on his record of baptism.

Can someone tell me who the witnesses to this marriage may be?


"natum ex incertis parenti" means that when he was born his parents were unknown, he was a foundling.

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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby erudita74 » 16 Apr 2016, 01:11

liviomoreno wrote:
sacesta wrote:I'm wondering now about the phrase "natum ex incertis parenti".

"natum ex incertis parentibus" means that when he was born his parents were unknown, he was a foundling.


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Re: Need Help Deciphering Latin in Marriage Record

Postby sacesta » 19 Apr 2016, 04:04

Well, the notion that he is a foundling is the first thought to come to my head. I'm looking for other explanations. I'll be at the FHC again Wednesday morning searching microfilm for Benedetto's birth record. I don't expect to find them mentioned, but one can always hope!
Steve Acesta

Researching Calatafimi, Trapani
Surnames Aceste, Papa, Cusenza, Gruppuso, Sciortino, Sparacino, Zito, and Vona.

Researching Montevago, Agrigento (Girgenti)
Surnames Infranco, La Rocca, Mandina, Bilello, Cacioppo, and Cardino.


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