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A typical family

Postby Genetick » 07 Sep 2016, 20:50

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I have been attempting to read through Giovanni Massoni's "La Pieve e la Comunita di Vorno" to help my understanding of the area where the families I am researching came from.

In the book there are a pages that touch on the distribution of families and a few simplistic census lists of local families for each area /village around Vorno.

Whilst the author makes reference to the number of same named families living in the area, he does not go into any detail about individuals or even define what a family would comprise (e.g. Parents & children / grandparents / siblings and their children etc).

The records found on Family Search suggest there were far more people in the area than the numbers stated in the book suggests unless they were extremely large families.


Can anyone help me by explaining what a typical "family" in 1800 Capannori would be. Any light you can shed to improve my understanding would be a greatly appreciated.

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Re: A typical family

Postby Italysearcher » 08 Sep 2016, 09:18

A 'family' would consist of the Head of the household, his wife, if still alive, his son(s) and their wives and children. Maybe even the unmarried siblings of the Head of the Household.
As many persons as the land they worked would support. Once you reached saturation point, any unmarried sons would either remain unmarried, marry someone whose family they would join, or emigrate. Daughters would marry and move in with their in-laws unless their won family consisted of only daughters.
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Re: A typical family

Postby Genetick » 08 Sep 2016, 09:41

Hi Ann

Very interesting insight and not dissimilar from some culture's today. I presume from this the larger the area of land they work the larger the family should be, which begs the question how was land acquired, divided, acquired, inherited, administered and what structure overlies this. Not sure I would even begin to get to grips with landownership in Italy or where this kind of information can be found.

Thanks again for your very informative help.

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Re: A typical family

Postby Italysearcher » 09 Sep 2016, 09:25

Its pretty heavy reading but you might find this interesting.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/488555.pdf
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Postby VotM » 09 Sep 2016, 09:57

Italysearcher wrote:A 'family' would consist of the Head of the household, his wife, if still alive, his son(s) and their wives and children. Maybe even the unmarried siblings of the Head of the Household.
As many persons as the land they worked would support. Once you reached saturation point, any unmarried sons would either remain unmarried, marry someone whose family they would join, or emigrate.

Thanks for posting this, Ann. It offers a fresh insight into a first marriage that occured late in the life of a Gx3-uncle, a year after his parents passed away.
Genetick wrote:I presume from this the larger the area of land they work the larger the family should be, which begs the question how was land acquired, divided, acquired, inherited, administered and what structure overlies this. Not sure I would even begin to get to grips with landownership in Italy or where this kind of information can be found.

GT, the Riveli might offer some insights here. As near as I can tell, somewhere in the early 1800's the property of my Gx4-grandfather was divided evenly by his three sons either upon his death or some time before it (depending on how you want to interpret the lack of a qualifier regarding his decease on the sons' names in 1811 but presence of same in 1815). Two of his sons occupied lands adjoining their mutual father-in-law. One of his daughters appears to have married a son in a family from adjoining lands.
LDS Gioiosa Marea "road map" post at
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LDS Cefalù, Termini Imerese and Villaurea "road map" post at
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Re: A typical family

Postby Genetick » 09 Sep 2016, 14:47

Italysearcher wrote:Its pretty heavy reading but you might find this interesting.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/488555.pdf


Hi Ann

Thanks for sharing this. I will read it over the weekend

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Re: A typical family

Postby Genetick » 09 Sep 2016, 15:05

[quote=GT, the Riveli might offer some insights here[/quote]

Hi VotM

Thanks for the suggestion. Would I be correct in my interpretation that the Riveli you mention is the population and taxation census? I read on Family Search some of the information to be found in these records although it appears only on Microfilm. I presume these Riveli were carried out across Italy.

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Re: A typical family

Postby VotM » 09 Sep 2016, 15:39

That is correct... although the 1811 and 1815 Riveli provide less in the way of a general census than their 1748 counterpart.

For a few brief months the Riveli for much of Sicily were available online at Family History Centers. They are now offline pending formalization of new contracts. I was told by LDS these will be available again "soon", though "soon" remains undefined. :?

You raise a good point regarding the scope of these records. As Sicily was not united with Italy until around 1860, and as the Sicilian Riveli were conducted from sometime around the onset of direct Spanish rule up until the foundation of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, the style of the census between the mainland provinces and Sicily may vary.
LDS Gioiosa Marea "road map" post at
http://italiangenealogy.com/forum/itali ... logy/33808

LDS Cefalù, Termini Imerese and Villaurea "road map" post at
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/i ... 50#p239255


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