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Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 08 Sep 2016, 04:09

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Hi again! I posted on this family line before, but I gathered some new info so I'm seeking more help, please. It's about my great grandmother.

Her birth name was Charlotte (Carlotta) Colella. I have July 26, 1903, as a DOB. Another report reads "around 1899" which could be 1903. She was born Caserta, Campania. Her mother was Marie Ciampa (her maiden name) who may not have been married at the time of giving birth to Charlotte.

I'm searching for a birth record if possible. I'd love to have her father's full name and confirm her place of birth.

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 12 Sep 2016, 17:07

Bumping just in case. :)
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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby adelfio » 12 Sep 2016, 18:17

I checked 1903 births in the town of Caserta didn't find a Charlotte (Carlotta) Colella.
Why do you think she is from Caserta?
Did she come to the USA? Do you have a shipmanifest?

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby Tessa78 » 12 Sep 2016, 18:18

I searched for Charlotte Colella when I first saw your post, but with no success.

A few questions:

From what record did you get her July 1903 birthdate?
Do you believe she was born in Caserta Province, or comune of Caserta?
Mother, Maria Ciampa - did she marry at some time? The name of her husband?
Can you tell me the name of Charlotte's husband -

Years of immigration for mother and daughter?

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby VotM » 12 Sep 2016, 18:21

One other problem with searching is that the records at FamilySearch for "Italy, Caserta, Conca della Campania" only appear to run from 1809-1865. Ditto for the birth records for "Italy, Caserta, Campagnano".
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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 13 Sep 2016, 18:53

adelfio wrote:I checked 1903 births in the town of Caserta didn't find a Charlotte (Carlotta) Colella.
Why do you think she is from Caserta?
Did she come to the USA? Do you have a shipmanifest?

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Hi Marty. Thank you for responding and checking for me.

I think she was born in Caserta because that's what my mother was told growing up. My great grandmother's obituary says she was "born is Casseta, Italy, July 26, 1903". I always assumed "Casseta" was a typo for Caserta.

According to family history, she was said to come here around the age of six, but I don't have a shipmanifest. She worked in a factory in NYC as a little girl and had to stand on boxes to reach the work area.

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 13 Sep 2016, 19:00

Tessa78 wrote:I searched for Charlotte Colella when I first saw your post, but with no success.

A few questions:

From what record did you get her July 1903 birthdate?
Do you believe she was born in Caserta Province, or comune of Caserta?
Mother, Maria Ciampa - did she marry at some time? The name of her husband?
Can you tell me the name of Charlotte's husband -

Years of immigration for mother and daughter?

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Hi Teresa. Thank you for responding and checking for me.

My mother actually remembered Charlotte's birthday since she was her grandmother and they were very close. I also have her date of birth from her obituary. July 26, 1903.

I assumed she was born in the province of Caserta rather than the comune. Her obituary says "Casseta" but I assumed that was a typo for Caserta.

Yes, Maria Ciampa, Charlotte's mother, married Anthony Gallucci after she arrived in the States. Charlotte was already born at the time so Anthony was her step-father, not her biological father.

Charlotte's husband (my great grandpa) was Alfred Scungio (Scuncio).

I'm guessing the year of immigration to be around 1909. I'm basing this on Charlotte's year of birth and informal family records stating she was six years old upon arriving in the U.S. But it could have been a little sooner or a little later.

Thanks so much!!



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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 13 Sep 2016, 19:01

VotM wrote:One other problem with searching is that the records at FamilySearch for "Italy, Caserta, Conca della Campania" only appear to run from 1809-1865. Ditto for the birth records for "Italy, Caserta, Campagnano".


Thank you for responding! Wow... 1809 is way far back there.
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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Sep 2016, 19:31

Thank you for the additional information...

BUT... where does Charlotte's surname COLELLA come from?

AND... while "Cassetta" could possibly be Caserta - there are other possibilities :-)

Casetta Biena, comune of Castelnuovo Berardenga, Siena, Tuscany
Casetta di Tiara, comune of Palazzuolo Sul Senio, Firenze, Tuscany
Casette, comune of Ancarano, Teramo, Abruzzo
Casette, comune of Baone, Padova, Veneto
Casette, comune of Colli Sul Velino, Rieti, Lazio
Casette, comune of Legnago, Verona, Veneto
Casette, comune of Massa, Massa-Carrara, Tuscany
Casette, comune of Montefalco, Perugia, Umbria
Casette, comune of Picciano, Pescara, Abruzzo
Casette, comune of Rieti, Rieti, Lazio
Casette, comune of Roccafluvione, Ascoli Piceno, Marche
Casette (Le), comune of San Severino Marche, Macerata, Marche
Casette Antonelli, comune of Potenza Picena, Macerata, Marche
Casette d'Ariano, comune of Volterra, Pisa, Tuscany
Casette d'Ete, comune of Sant'Elpidio a Mare, Fermo, Marche
Casette di Alebbio, comune of Fivizzano, Massa-Carrara, Tuscany
Casette di Crocemarroggia, comune of Spoleto, Perugia, Umbria
Casette di Passatempo, comune of Osimo, Ancona, Marche
Casette di Pianaccerro, comune of Ascoli Piceno, Ascoli Piceno, Marche
Casette di Sasso, comune of Cerveteri, Roma, Lazio
Casette Faiano, comune of Castelli, Teramo, Abruzzo
Casette Torresi, comune of Potenza Picena, Macerata, Marche
Casette Verdini, comune of Pollenza, Macerata, Marche


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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 13 Sep 2016, 20:15

Tessa78 wrote:Thank you for the additional information...

BUT... where does Charlotte's surname COLELLA come from?

AND... while "Cassetta" could possibly be Caserta - there are other possibilities :-)

Casetta Biena, comune of Castelnuovo Berardenga, Siena, Tuscany
Casetta di Tiara, comune of Palazzuolo Sul Senio, Firenze, Tuscany
Casette, comune of Ancarano, Teramo, Abruzzo
Casette, comune of Baone, Padova, Veneto
Casette, comune of Colli Sul Velino, Rieti, Lazio
Casette, comune of Legnago, Verona, Veneto
Casette, comune of Massa, Massa-Carrara, Tuscany
Casette, comune of Montefalco, Perugia, Umbria
Casette, comune of Picciano, Pescara, Abruzzo
Casette, comune of Rieti, Rieti, Lazio
Casette, comune of Roccafluvione, Ascoli Piceno, Marche
Casette (Le), comune of San Severino Marche, Macerata, Marche
Casette Antonelli, comune of Potenza Picena, Macerata, Marche
Casette d'Ariano, comune of Volterra, Pisa, Tuscany
Casette d'Ete, comune of Sant'Elpidio a Mare, Fermo, Marche
Casette di Alebbio, comune of Fivizzano, Massa-Carrara, Tuscany
Casette di Crocemarroggia, comune of Spoleto, Perugia, Umbria
Casette di Passatempo, comune of Osimo, Ancona, Marche
Casette di Pianaccerro, comune of Ascoli Piceno, Ascoli Piceno, Marche
Casette di Sasso, comune of Cerveteri, Roma, Lazio
Casette Faiano, comune of Castelli, Teramo, Abruzzo
Casette Torresi, comune of Potenza Picena, Macerata, Marche
Casette Verdini, comune of Pollenza, Macerata, Marche


T.


Thank YOU! And wow again! That's A LOT of Casettes! I guess this is one family mystery that will never be solved. Lol.

Thank you for trying. :D xo

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Sep 2016, 20:32

Do not give up! :-)

I located this application (Sons of Italy Mortuary Fund) and claim for Charlotte Scungio, wife of Alfredo Scungio.
Death in 1961, birth listed as July 1903.

The interesting thing is that on the application (in Italian) she lists her name as Pasqualina Scungio (Record #15069) born 26 July 1903. She lists her marriage to Alfredo Scungio as August 1919, and her address in 1940 as S. Jefferson St. New Castle.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/1773/32 ... 1987-02790

The second image is her death certificate identifying her as Charlotte Scungio (same info) and a birth place of Casserta, Italy (more than likely you are correct about Caserta!). Her address at death is Division St., New Castle. Her SS# is included here. You might send for her SS-5 (application) which may have more specifically identified her place of birth and her father's name.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/1773/32 ... 1987-02791

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 13 Sep 2016, 21:04

Tessa78 wrote:Do not give up! :-)

I located this application (Sons of Italy Mortuary Fund) and claim for Charlotte Scungio, wife of Alfredo Scungio.
Death in 1961, birth listed as July 1903.

The interesting thing is that on the application (in Italian) she lists her name as Pasqualina Scungio (Record #15069) born 26 July 1903. She lists her marriage to Alfredo Scungio as August 1919, and her address in 1940 as S. Jefferson St. New Castle.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/1773/32 ... 1987-02790

The second image is her death certificate identifying her as Charlotte Scungio (same info) and a birth place of Casserta, Italy (more than likely you are correct about Caserta!). Her address at death is Division St., New Castle. Her SS# is included here. You might send for her SS-5 (application) which may have more specifically identified her place of birth and her father's name.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/1773/32 ... 1987-02791

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Pasqualina is odd! I've never heard that name at all. I'll my mother about it. And I'll buy a membership with Ancestry.com to access the links you posted.

Her "mystery history" has intrigued me for years. Lol. The funny thing is - my grandmother and mother were very close to her but never asked questions. And my grandmother was close to her grandmother (Charlotte's mother), yet never asked questions. In those days, they probably didn't for many reasons.

THANK YOU, again, so much for your help. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. :D



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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby Tessa78 » 13 Sep 2016, 21:11

Here are the images (click once to enlarge and again to magnify)

Let me know what you think...

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Death certificate
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ANd from a Family Tree on Ancestry - a Nickname?
Charlotte "Lena" Gallucci 1903–1961
Birth 26 JUL 1903 • Casserta, Italy
Death 4 NOV 1961 • New Castle, Lawrence, Pennsylvania, USA


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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby VotM » 14 Sep 2016, 14:35

Just to make things more interesting...

There is an index record for several Ciampa's that came through Boston in September of 1909 aboard the Romanic. Of note are Maria (age 45), another Maria (age 19), and Pasqualina (age 6).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2173946

Here is the actual passenger record (lines 19-24 of interest):
Page 1 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1923995
Page 2 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1923995
LDS Gioiosa Marea "road map" post at
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http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/i ... 50#p239255

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Re: Great Grandmother

Postby BrownEyedGirl » 22 Nov 2016, 05:35

I want to THANK YOU, Teresa, for the info. And THANKS to, VotM, too. I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge your last posts sooner. I lost my login information for the site and just tracked it. Thank goodness! Lol.
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