Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

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Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 24 Oct 2016, 20:39

Hi, I am having trouble finding information on my third great grandmother (Massimilla Di Giovanni). I have found her daughters marriage record (1901). Her daughter was born in Bacucco (1883 -1888). It also says that Massimilla was residing in Pianella at the time of her daughters marriage. I know Massimilla was married to Donato Antonio Di Girolamo (born in 1847 - died 1903). I have some information on Donato (death and birth record). I would appreciate any help I can get in finding more information on Massimilla.

Also, does anyone know how to find documents in Pianella before 1806. I am not seeing a link to it on Antenati website.
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Oct 2016, 21:26

Records earlier than 1806 would be found in church records.
Here is a link to information about when civil registrations began in Italy.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Italy_ ... gWikiICRVR

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 26 Oct 2016, 04:22

Tessa78 wrote:Records earlier than 1806 would be found in church records.
Here is a link to information about when civil registrations began in Italy.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Italy_ ... gWikiICRVR

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Thank you for the link!
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 29 Oct 2016, 22:01

In the time since Ive made this post I have searched through Bacuccos records on Family search and Pianellas records. I am still unable to find Massimilla di Giovannis marriage documents to Donato Antonio di Girolamo. I did find a few Donato Antonios / Antonio Donatos in Pianella that were married in years before his and Massimillas first child Anna was born. I was unable to find Anna's birth record (Bacucco) and I am also unable to find Massimillas birth (unknown), marriage (Bacucco or Pianella?), or death (Pianella).

Could there be a reason why I can't find any of these documents? On Donatos death certificate it said his wife Massimilla so I am assuming they were married. Donato was born in Pianella but had his first child in Bacucco and his other children were born in Pianella a few years after his first child. Facts that I do know are that Donato died in prison and that Massimilla's family stopped speaking with her when she decided to marry Donato. Also, Donato was near or was forty when his first child was born.

Any thoughts to why I can't find anything on Massimilla?
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Oct 2016, 22:21

Marriages were USUALLY done in the hometown of the bride.
The marriage record would be in that town, BUT there would be a publication of the marriage banns (Pubblicazione) in the hometown of the groom. Maybe you can locate that.

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 29 Oct 2016, 22:27

Tessa78 wrote:Marriages were USUALLY done in the hometown of the bride.
The marriage record would be in that town, BUT there would be a publication of the marriage banns (Pubblicazione) in the hometown of the groom. Maybe you can locate that.

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Thanks thats very helpful. I am not sure where her hometown would be. I assume Pianella or Bacucco. I do know Donatos hometown is in Pianella so hopefully I can find a publication like you suggested.
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Oct 2016, 02:12

Can post the daughter's marrige record (Anna di Girolamo?)

And could you also post the birth act for Donato Antonio di Girolamo, in Pianella?

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 30 Oct 2016, 02:54

Tessa78 wrote:Can post the daughter's marrige record (Anna di Girolamo?)

And could you also post the birth act for Donato Antonio di Girolamo, in Pianella?

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This is Antoinette's marriage record to her husband Vincenzo Palma. Massimilla most have had two daughters one named Anna and one named Antoinetta. The Antionetta that married Vincenzo Palma is my great great grandmother. She never knew her birthday so the family assumed it was between 1883 - 1888 because her documents she had in the United States all said different years.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043788

This is her daughter Annas birth record

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043788

This is Donato Antonio di Girolamos birth record

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 30 Oct 2016, 09:22

Here is a related thread that we worked on recently: http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/38213

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 31 Oct 2016, 00:45

Si rende noto che il detenuto Di Girolamo Donato figlio di fu Nicola e di fu Lucia Ferrari di anni 56 nativo di Pianella e domiciliato a Pianella |Teramo| di professione contadino di stato civile coniugato con De Giovanni Massima stato condannato il 22 luglio 1893 dalla Corte d'assise di Teramo alla pena di Anni 21 mesi 2 giorni 7 per Rapina e concorso in omicidio entrato nella Casa il 2 Gennaio 1897 ed ammesso nell'Infermeria il 13 febbraio 1903, è deceduto alle ore 9.10 del giorno 20 aprile 1903 in seguito a Tubercolosi generale.

Mmogno had found Donatos di Girolamo's (Massimillas husband) prison document for me. It said something about a Massima De Giovanni. Could this be a brother to Massimilla?
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby mmogno » 31 Oct 2016, 01:07

Di Girolamo Donato.... coniugato con De Giovanni Massima
Donato Di Girolamo.... married to Massima De Giovanni

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Tessa78 » 31 Oct 2016, 01:09

Here is a link to a very long document that relates the sentencing of Donato di Girolamo at age 44, in 1892.
It was included in the allegati of Antonietta di Girolamo's marriage to Vincenzo did Palma.
Note...it includes the sentencing of Rocco di Girolamo, age 42, as well as two others.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


And... Here is the birth extract of Antonietta di Girolamo.
She was born in 1882, 14 of April, in Bacucco.
Massimilla di Giovanni, was age 23, at Antonietta's birth.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Link to marriage allegati
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 31 Oct 2016, 01:43

mmogno wrote:Di Girolamo Donato.... coniugato con De Giovanni Massima
Donato Di Girolamo.... married to Massima De Giovanni


Thank you for clarifying that for me. I was thinking it was someone with a different name! You've been so helpful.
Tessa78 wrote:Here is a link to a very long document that relates the sentencing of Donato di Girolamo at age 44, in 1892.
It was included in the allegati of Antonietta di Girolamo's marriage to Vincenzo did Palma.
Note...it includes the sentencing of Rocco di Girolamo, age 42, as well as two others.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


And... Here is the birth extract of Antonietta di Girolamo.
She was born in 1882, 14 of April, in Bacucco.
Massimilla di Giovanni, was age 23, at Antonietta's birth.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Link to marriage allegati
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

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Thank you for finding these for me! I've spent the whole week looking for anything that would give me so more information on Massimilla. Hopefully someone can translate these for me and I can find out her parents names!

I've noticed there are several pages of information on donations di girolamos sentencing. Do you think it gives details of the crime?
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby mmogno » 31 Oct 2016, 02:02

Massimilla di Giovanni, 23 yo (on April 15, 1882)....
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

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Re: Massimilla di Giovanni Pianella Italy

Postby Jamiepalma2 » 31 Oct 2016, 16:06

mmogno wrote:Massimilla di Giovanni, 23 yo (on April 15, 1882)....
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0


Does it say where Massimilla was born or from? Also, does it have her parents names on it?
Pianella, Pescara, Abruzzo, Italy & San Filippo, Messina, Sicily
Family Names: Palma, Di Girolamo, Di Giovanni, Ferrara, Fantacuzzi, Villari, Fruttoso


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