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Where do I Start?

Postby joyse » 02 Apr 2006, 20:43

Hi, I've just found and joined your site. I have been trying to trace my Italian side for so many years and got nowhere. My great grandfather Antony was born in Italy and came to England in the 1860's. The family name (as we were all told was Brini) however I have now been in contact with 2nd cousins and they say the family name is Borrino. Why Antony changed his name I do not know but on the 1901 census he had changed it back to Borrino! No wonder I couldn't find any trace of the family.
Anyway Antony came to England with his brother Serafino. They would have been born from about 1843 to 1851 - ages varied on different censuses.
I do not know what part of Italy they were from.
On Antony's marriage certificate he said his father was Angelo a farmer.
Does anyone have any ideas where I could go from here?

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Postby joyse » 02 Apr 2006, 22:54

I have just received an email from a distant cousin and she tells me that it is possible that Antony came from San Severo.
Is there any records I check this out?

Any help please. I would be most grateful

Joy

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Postby wldspirit » 02 Apr 2006, 23:05

Hi Joy,......I am not familiar with research in England. That being said, have you pulled all available records to confirm town of origin in Italy?
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Postby wldspirit » 02 Apr 2006, 23:18

Are any of these persons related?

Ada Borrino 1907 Jan-Feb-Mar Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Angelo Borrino 1881 Oct-Nov-Dec Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Catherine Emma Borrino 1903 Apr-May-Jun Chorlton Lancashire

Dorothy Beatrice Borrino 1897 Jul-Aug-Sep Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Elsie May Borrino 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Walsall Staffordshire

Emma Elizabeth Borrino 1905 Apr-May-Jun Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Ernest Borrino 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Fiurina Mary E Borrino 1883 Apr-May-Jun Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Frederick Gordon Borrino 1908 Apr-May-Jun Chorlton Lancashire
John Thomas Borrino 1898 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire

Lily Borrino 1900 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire

Louis Borrino 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Louisa G Borrino 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Jones Barton Upon Irwell (1850-1934) Lancashire

View Record Minnie Borrino 1909 Jan-Feb-Mar Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

Violet Borrino 1898 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire

William Borrino 1895 Jan-Feb-Mar Salford Greater Manchester, Lancashire

William Joseph Borrino 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep Walsall Staffordshire

and for Brini..

Anthony Brini 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec Bolton Lancashire

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Postby joyse » 02 Apr 2006, 23:26

Hi
Yes thanks, the ones for Manchester or Salford are the children of Serafino and the Walsall ones are for Anthony.
1875 Bolton is Anthony's marriage.

On different census they just say place of birth as Italy - not giving a town.

Anthony said he was naturalized so I think I will have to go to London and see if I can find the record of that and see if a town was given. Unfortunately most records are not on-line in England - you have to go and search!! Wished I was tracing someone in the US!

Thanks

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Postby wldspirit » 02 Apr 2006, 23:28

If naturalization records are available, then by all means, get them.......it
should list the town of origin!!!!!
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Found this to be of interest........

ID: I625755463
Name: antonio BORRINO
Given Name: antonio
Surname: borrino
Sex: M
Birth: 1857 in san savero,Foggia Italy

Father: vincenzo BORRINO b: 1830? in san severo foggia italy
Mother: maria felicia BONAVENTURA b: 1830? in unknown italy

Marriage 1 sarah COSFORD b: 1855? in england
Children
rosina BORRINO b: 1878 in stourbridge
sarah BORRINO b: 1880 in tamworth england
angelo BORRINO b: 1891 in walsall england
joseph BORRINO b: 1894 in walsall england
lilly BORRINO b: 1900 in walsall england
mary ann BORRINO b: 1882 in walsall england
matilda BORRINO b: 1884 in walsall england
angelina BORRINO b: 1886 in walsall england
elsie BORRINO b: 1894 in walsall england
lilly BORRINO b: 1896 in walsall england
john thomas BORRINO b: 1898? in walsall england
violet BORRINO b: 1898? in walsall england

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Postby wldspirit » 02 Apr 2006, 23:52

Can you confirm the above tree?
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Postby mahart » 02 Apr 2006, 23:59

Hi Joy,
I apologise if you have already consulted these websites but if not well then worth a look.

This is great website for Anglo-Italian research, they have transcribed of the English census's for Italians (pdf format)
http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/

This site you can search for births marriages and deaths for Lancashire (work in progress). You can download the form and send it off it costs £7 for a certificate. There are other counties undertaking this project.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Check the surname list for your ancestors who lived in Manchester's Italian community (great site)
http://www.ancoatslittleitaly.com/

Try this Mormon site for a world search on variations of your family name, you download the results in Gedcom format.
http://www.familysearch.org/

Might also be worth trying the Italian Consulate for naturalisation details.

Regards and hope they are of some help
Searching for Palombella family in Molfetta, Puglia

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Postby joyse » 03 Apr 2006, 02:42

Thank you wldspirit
Yes, the children are certainly correct. The parents I didn't know. Antony(Antonio) had given his father as being named Angelo but as I know he was somewhat careful with the truth I couldn't be sure that was correct. The info you have given is VERY interesting. Could you tell me where you got this from please?
Thanks again

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Postby wldspirit » 03 Apr 2006, 02:45

I pulled it up on Ancestry, do you have a subscription? If not there is more that I can provide from this tree if that would be helpful to you. Let me know your needs.
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Postby joyse » 03 Apr 2006, 02:47

Hi Mark
Thank you for your posting - you don't have to apologise! Because I have been looking over so many years I have looked at loads of sites but as I have only very recently found out the name change I had forgotten to go back to sites and do a recheck. My brain needs to go back to basics I think! Thanks again

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Postby joyse » 03 Apr 2006, 02:51

Hi Lisa
I don't have a subscription on Ancestry. I didn't join as I thought that it was only for the US.
How does it work on there? Is it that someone has put the details on or is it through records.
I have a 3rd cousin who has also been researching but she hasn't been able to confirm anything as definate.
Any info you could tell me would be most useful.
Thank you very much.
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Postby wldspirit » 03 Apr 2006, 02:59

Ancestry has both records and family submitted trees, records cover other countries as well as US, as for family submitted trees, one does have to be careful as many times the information provided has not been documented with source material. My subscription covers US records, although there are some records included for other countries...pricing for ancestry varies with the type of package chosen. If I am not mistaken,
you can also choose to pay by the month, use it for 30 days and cancel.

I will post the other info I found on this family.......
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Thanks Lisa

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Postby wldspirit » 03 Apr 2006, 03:18

To start with,

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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 1
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1. antonio BORRINO was born 1857 in san savero,Foggia Italy. He was the son of 2. vincenzo BORRINO and 3. maria felicia BONAVENTURA. He married sarah COSFORD. She was born 1855? in england.

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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 2

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2. vincenzo BORRINO was born 1830? in san severo foggia italy. He was the son of 4. gennaro BORRINO and 5. lorenza VISCO.


3. maria felicia BONAVENTURA was born 1830? in unknown italy.

Children of maria felicia BONAVENTURA and vincenzo BORRINO are:1. i. antonio BORRINO was born 1857 in san savero,Foggia Italy. He married sarah COSFORD. She was born 1855? in england.
ii. serefina BORRINO was born 1846 in colorater italy. He married emma UNKNOWN. She was born 1845 in england?.
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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 3

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4. gennaro BORRINO was born 1785 in lonato pozzolo,varese,Italy. He was the son of 8. giocomo BORRINO and 9. antonia rossi BERTOLLI.


5. lorenza VISCO was born 1780s in italy.

Children of lorenza VISCO and gennaro BORRINO are:2. i. vincenzo BORRINO was born 1830? in san severo foggia italy. He married maria felicia BONAVENTURA. She was born 1830? in unknown italy.
ii. antonio BORRINO was born 1820s in san severo,Foggia,Italy. He married concetta IRMISI. She was born 1820s in unknown,italy.
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Ahnentafel, Generation No. 4

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8. giocomo BORRINO was born 1760s in italy.


9. antonia rossi BERTOLLI was born 1750s in italy.

Children of antonia rossi BERTOLLI and giocomo BORRINO are:4. i. gennaro BORRINO was born 1785 in lonato pozzolo,varese,Italy. He married lorenza VISCO. She was born 1780s in italy.
ii. pierantonio BORRINO was born 1787 in lonato pozzelo foggia Italy.
iii. giantonio BORRINO was born 1782 in lonato pozzolo,foggia,Italy.

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ID: I625755464
Name: sarah COSFORD
Given Name: sarah
Surname: cosford
Sex: F
Birth: 1855? in england
Note: married at grime street chapel 1875

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and this on the daughter of Sarah and Antonio,
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ID: I595971966
Name: rosina BORRINO
Given Name: rosina
Surname: borrino
Sex: F
Birth: 1878 in stourbridge
MARL: 1897 walsall
Note: rosina was born in the parish of stourbridge ,during this period of history their were lots of immigrants in this area.Her father was,a confectioner and so was his brother.

Father: antonio BORRINO b: 1857 in san savero,Foggia Italy
Mother: sarah COSFORD b: 1855? in england

:borrino, rosina


Marriage 1 richardt TONKS b: 1876 in lichfield

Children
arthur james TONKS b: 17/7/1908 in walsall
albert TONKS b: 1898 in rummer hill cannock staffs
richard TONKS b: 1893
may TONKS
mabel TONKS
elsea TONKS
harry TONKS
ethel TONKS
joseph TONKS
william TONKS
james TONKS
rose TONKS b: 1900? in rummer hill cannock,england


hope this is of some help. maybe one of our other members has access to world records........I could not find a verification of source material for this tree, so all info would have to be confirmed.
Lisa


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