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Postby cerg » 01 Jun 2006, 03:02

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My name is Kristina Cergnul. I am looking for my ancestors. My great grandfather Giovanni Cergnul and his family to be exact. Giovanni was born in Albona, he had 3 brothers Antonio, Matteo and Frank.Matteo had 2 daughters I was told that they might both be nurses. Antonio I believe was in the mititary of sort. Matteo at one time was taken to a concentration camp in Germany I believe around 1935, he was possibly married to a woman named Elsa. The boys' parents names I believe was Matteo and Maria Cergnul. At one time Marie was burned very badly when her dress caught fire.Please anybody out there who and can help let me know I have been trying to find something on these ancestors for a long time. thank you for any help you may beable to give me.

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Postby nuccia » 01 Jun 2006, 03:49

Could this be your great grandfather Giovanni?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Recordinfo
about John Cergnul
Name: John Cergnul
City: Not Stated
County: Franklin
State: Illinois
Birthplace: Austria
Birth Date: 04 Nov 1894
Race: Caucasian
Roll: 1613400

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Postby nuccia » 01 Jun 2006, 03:57

If it is him this is more info..

Social Security Death Index Recordinfo
about John Cergnul
Name: John Cergnul
SSN: 489-09-1242
Last Residence: 62822 Christopher, Franklin, Illinois, United States of America
Born: 1 Nov 1894
Died: 1 Jul 1966
State (Year) SSN issued: Missouri (Before 1951 )

and 1920 census he is married to Dolly..

1920 United States Federal Census Recordinfo
about John Cergnul
Name: John Cergnul
Age: 24 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Austria
Race: White
Home in 1920: Browning, Franklin, Illinois
Home owned: Rent
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1914
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Austria
Father's Birth Place: Austria

1920 United States Federal Census Recordinfo
about Dolly Cergnul
Name: Dolly Cergnul
Age: 16 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Birthplace: Indiana
Race: White
Home in 1920: Browning, Franklin, Illinois
Sex: Female
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Image: 838

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Postby nuccia » 01 Jun 2006, 04:01

Online obit one daughter of John and Dolly..mentions other children..


The Daily Journal, St. Francois Co., MO, Sunday, February 5, 2006

VIRGINIA TIEPELMAN

BISMARCK - Virginia Tiepelman, 83, passed away on February 2, 2006. Preceded by parents John and Dollie (Maragni) Cergnul, her husband William C. Tiepelman, and two brothers, Emil and Frank.

She is survived by two sons, John and Fred Tiepelman, three daughters, Ida McNab, Elsie Lichtenberg and Silvia Millington, brother, Edward Cergnul, two sisters, Rosie Peterson and Liela Becker, 24 grandchildren, numerous great-grandchildren, several great-great-grandchildren, nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends.

Visitation: Cozean Memorial Chapel today from 3 to 9 p.m. Burial will be private. Memorials may be directed to donor's choice. Visit http://www.cozeanfuneralhome.com for obituary and online condolences.

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Re: looking for Cergnul Family

Postby wishyou » 01 Jun 2006, 04:16

Albona is an istrian city
Till 1918 it was under Austro-Hungarina administration
From 1918 till 1946 was under italian administration
From 1946 till 1992 was under jugoslavian administration
Actually is under croatioan administration.

I do believe that Matteo was in concentration camp in Germany during WWII, not in 1935.

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Postby jcsm400 » 01 Jun 2006, 04:24

Here are two manifests that you maybe interested in. You can print a copy of the manifest by going to www.ellisland.org This is a free site, but you have to register.


First Name: Giovanni
Last Name: Cergnul
Ethnicity: Italian, Albona
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Aug 08, 1920
Age at Arrival: 25y Gender: M Marital Status:
Ship of Travel: Argentina
Port of Departure: Trieste
Manifest Line Number: 0007

Giovanni was part of the ship's crew, workinh is a fireman.



First Name: Matteo
Last Name: Cergnul
Ethnicity: Italian N., S. Martino
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Oct 09, 1922
Age at Arrival: 31y Gender: M Marital Status:
Ship of Travel: Belvedere
Port of Departure: Trieste
Manifest Line Number: 0005


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Postby nuccia » 01 Jun 2006, 04:27

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Re: looking for Cergnul Family

Postby cerg » 01 Jun 2006, 06:26

Hey,

Thank you all for the information. Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier I had my son's baseball game to go to.

Yes the war record look to be my Great Grandfathers. The obit is my Great Aunt's. I had seen those before, I was surprised to see the census record though I had never seen that before. It was very interesting. Does anybody know how I would find out about his brothers and parents. I have some letters that were written to Giovanni from his family in Italy.But I am not sure the area the came from as I do not have the envolope the came it. They are dated from 1929 to 1955. I know what year Maria? Giovanni's mother died but have no clue how to find anything else out. I do not speak nor read Italian which makes it very diffcult to search the websites. Again Tthank you all so much!!!! :D

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Postby cerg » 01 Jun 2006, 09:54

Hi I found some more information and would like an opion on what to do next please.

Giovanni's brother MAtteo was married to a women named Elsa they had a son name unknown and 3 daughters Giulia 7 yrs, Maria 9 yrs, and Maria 5 yrs. these names and age came from a letter that Elsa wrote to Giovanni in June of 1934.


Antonio I have found a couple different addresses for him do these mean anything to you?
Carabinere Antonio Cergnul
C/O Carabinieri Station CCRR
(Monfalcone)
Naval Division
Provonce of Trieste


Another address that I found is :
Aunt Elena Stepancich
Via Adamelo #1, Fiume

Also Matteos' daughters were all working as nurses in Belgrade in 1951. I hope that somebody has some advice on how to find these people and any other Cergnul's that are still out there. Hope to hear from someone soon.

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Postby wldspirit » 01 Jun 2006, 10:26

Italian police?? Carabinieri; a branch of the army......

my understanding of the word is a form of police, but the dictionary list the word as a branch of the army.......waiting for someone to clarify........


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Postby wldspirit » 01 Jun 2006, 10:32

to locate persons in Italy use the following site.......

http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html

surname = cognome

dove = town

click on cerca and this will pull up address and phone numbers.

if you need a letter for translation, here is a link for that as well.....

http://italiangenealogy.atspace.com/Dav ... #relatives

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Postby suanj » 01 Jun 2006, 10:55

cerg wrote:Hi I found some more information and would like an opion on what to do next please.

Giovanni's brother MAtteo was married to a women named Elsa they had a son name unknown and 3 daughters Giulia 7 yrs, Maria 9 yrs, and Maria 5 yrs. these names and age came from a letter that Elsa wrote to Giovanni in June of 1934.


Antonio I have found a couple different addresses for him do these mean anything to you?
Carabinere Antonio Cergnul
C/O Carabinieri Station CCRR
(Monfalcone)
Naval Division
Provonce of Trieste


Another address that I found is :
Aunt Elena Stepancich
Via Adamelo #1, Fiume

Also Matteos' daughters were all working as nurses in Belgrade in 1951. I hope that somebody has some advice on how to find these people and any other Cergnul's that are still out there. Hope to hear from someone soon.

cerg:
I cannot understand what you need with precision.. Italian civil records of Giovanni? or you search the living descendants of Antonio? You search the Stepancich line?

however:

in another post, about same family, I read:

I am trying to find information on my Great Grandfather Giovanni Cergnul. He was born in 1893 in I believe Albona. His parents names were Matteo and Maria Cergnul. He also had three brother Antonio, Mike, and frank. There are a few more names that I know of but I do not know where they fit in the family.They are Lisa Cergnul, Elsa Cergnul, and Julia Cergnul who I believe was a cousin to Giovanni. Giovanni came to the US in 1913 on the SS Carpathia leaving from Fuime. Also does anybody know how to look at census records online for this area? Thank you for any help you may beable to give me.

I am looking for the Cergnul family. I know some of their names and the area that they were from. Matteo was married to a woman named Maria. They had children named Antonio, Frank , Giovanni,and matteo and maybe a Joseph.Giovanni was born in Albona. Can anyone help me with that location or the family names? I do have a little more info, but not much more. Giovanni came to America around 1914.Anything that you think could help will be greatly appreciated.

I found:
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John CERGNUL
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1894
Death Date: 1 Jul 1966
Social Security Number: 489-09-1242
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Missouri

Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 62822
Localities: Christopher, Franklin, Illinois
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-Giovanni Cergnul, alien fireman employed on Argentina ship, age 25 in 1920, born in Albona

-Michele Cergnul, fireman also
-Michele Cergnul seaman
-Mike Cergnul(mistaken)seaman
-Matteo Cergnul, fireman





-Antonio was a Carabiniere ( militar profession) so for some info I believe that you can write here:

Associazione Nazionale Carabinieri Sezione Di Monfalcone
Via Mazzini Giuseppe, 3
34074 Monfalcone (GO)
Italy

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for to ask the civil records in albona, you can ask a help from Italian consulate in Dalmazia/Croazia, and just for to ask the right address for to obtain the civil records and all info about your ancestors, please to write here:

consitalsplit @ st.tel.hr (NO SPACES PLEASE)
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here are all Cergnul living in Italy:
http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... =&ind=&nc=

and here are all stepancich living in Italy:
http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... c=&x=0&y=0
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Postby wldspirit » 01 Jun 2006, 11:02

Ahhh..........-Antonio was a Carabiniere ( militar profession).......
I was wrong and the dictionary was right!!!!!!!

But my Italian is improving Suanj.....if I can just learn to pronounce my R's...... :oops:

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Postby suanj » 01 Jun 2006, 11:19

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