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Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby teacup » 14 Jul 2006, 19:36

I am working on my Carrozza ancestors and have tracked Benedetto Carrozza, the great grandgather back to Monreale, Italy. Has anyone ever run across the Carrozza name in their research? He was coming to America to join his cousin, Anthony Macaluso.

On another subject, Benedettos wife was Giovannina Cottone, anyone researching that family name?
Grazie!
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 14 Jul 2006, 19:43

Hi Terri & welcome to the forum,

What are your research goals?

What records do you already have for them (US?...Italy?)???

Please provide birth years, when & where they settled in the US. Virginia?
Children names? Their birth years & place of birth (Italy or US).

With the additional information, we can hopefully provide you with records that you don't already have and help with obtaining your goal.

Let us know.

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby teacup » 14 Jul 2006, 20:12

Thank you! I would like to get over the brick wall I keep hitting when it coms to the Carrozza family. The only things I have been able to find are ships records for the greatgrandparents and a marriage certificate for my grandfather, Ignatius. MY father is deceased for many years and my Uncle was the baby of the family and doesn't remember much. His mother died shortly after he was born and there were the usual family problems which resulted in everyone not talking and records being tossed out.

I can't even find the family in the census records! When my grandfather was married he lived at 10 Delancy St, NYC then when my Dad, Benedict, was born they were living at 858 Hart St. He said once that he was raised in the Hell's kitchen area of NYC but I don't know if Hart St was in that area or not. Then they moved to Staten Island when he was young, and lived at 78 Cuba Ave.

Here is what I have on the greats:
I have Benedetto born Monrealy, Italy about 1866, coming to the US Jan 19, 1904 aboard the SS Germania. He lists his cousin, Anthony Macaluso, at 19 Stanton (image was smudged, not sure of the street), NYC as his sponsor. I can't find any naturalization or death records for him.

I also have Giovannina Cottone, my great grandmother, born about 1877 in Monreale and arriving in NY Dec 18, 1905 aboard the SS Algeria. She is going to meet her husband at 19-21 Stanton St. There are also 3 children, Ignazio, (my grandfather) born Jan 8, 1901, Giovanna born 1899 and Francesca born 1903. The ships records say the children were born in Palermo and Ignatius' marriage certificate confirms that.

That's it in a nutshell. I don't speak Italian but can read it a bit and that has deterred me from trying to contact any Churchs in Italy but I am ready to take the plunge now!

Terri

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby wldspirit » 14 Jul 2006, 20:51

Terri....do not let the language stop you!!! There are many basic outlines for Italian genealogy terms, and we have many members here living in Italy and they are fantastic.....if you need something translated, or get stuck in any way, they are always willing to help...... :wink:

Here are some sites to bookmark for language use, and I would invest in a good Italian/English dictionary.
Also, there is an excellent book by Trafford R. Cole, "Italian Genealogical
Records", fast, easy read, covers all the basics of Italian research with great insight and best of all, without all the fluff!!!

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... Italia.ASP

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... t=22468880

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Poin ... ename.html

Hope you find these useful!!
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 14 Jul 2006, 21:13

Graandfather on the 1910 census??

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1910 United States Federal Census Record
about Ignazo Carozza
Name: Ignazo Carozza
Age in 1910: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Household Members: Name Age
John Martin 9
William Martin 8
Thos Martin 4
William Gilmore 4
John Gilmore 10
Andrew Gilmore 8
Dennis Oconnor 2
Frances Farley 12
William Murray 9
Peter Glennen 8
Phillips Vallone 11
Frank Vallone 6
John Leamessa 12
Stella McCabe 8
Francis McCabe 8
Andrew Castle 6
Bernard Castle 10
Frank Heins 11
Raymond Heins 9
Margt Heins 6
Joseph Allgan 6
Martin Deegan 3
Helen Cangmore 4
Michael Casgrove 5
Mary Casgrove 3
Joseph Schalck 3
John Parmely 14
James Ryan 17
Christiana Keegan 45
Joseph Stroppel 36


Have an appt, so have to go....will check back when I come back.

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby wldspirit » 14 Jul 2006, 21:49

I to saw this image, however, it is an OPHANAGE......
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 14 Jul 2006, 23:36

Yes, but there is a female, Frances Carozza, age 7, right below him. It's possible that they are orphans, but there are others reasons way they are in a orphanage. Will see what poster has to say.

Here is a link to the image.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1962/carozza7ge.jpg


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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby wldspirit » 15 Jul 2006, 00:12

I am well aware of the various reasons why a child could be placed in an orphange, but the poster gave no indication of this.....perhaps unaware.
If the poster cannot confirm a connection to the orphanage, then it is only a possibility.
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 15 Jul 2006, 00:27

I did say, "Graandfather on the 1910 census??"
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby ricbru » 15 Jul 2006, 00:31

teacup wrote:Thank you! I would like to get over the brick wall I keep hitting when it coms to the Carrozza family. The only things I have been able to find are ships records for the greatgrandparents and a marriage certificate for my grandfather, Ignatius. MY father is deceased for many years and my Uncle was the baby of the family and doesn't remember much. His mother died shortly after he was born and there were the usual family problems which resulted in everyone not talking and records being tossed out.

I can't even find the family in the census records! When my grandfather was married he lived at 10 Delancy St, NYC then when my Dad, Benedict, was born they were living at 858 Hart St. He said once that he was raised in the Hell's kitchen area of NYC but I don't know if Hart St was in that area or not. Then they moved to Staten Island when he was young, and lived at 78 Cuba Ave.

Here is what I have on the greats:
I have Benedetto born Monrealy, Italy about 1866, coming to the US Jan 19, 1904 aboard the SS Germania. He lists his cousin, Anthony Macaluso, at 19 Stanton (image was smudged, not sure of the street), NYC as his sponsor. I can't find any naturalization or death records for him.

I also have Giovannina Cottone, my great grandmother, born about 1877 in Monreale and arriving in NY Dec 18, 1905 aboard the SS Algeria. She is going to meet her husband at 19-21 Stanton St. There are also 3 children, Ignazio, (my grandfather) born Jan 8, 1901, Giovanna born 1899 and Francesca born 1903. The ships records say the children were born in Palermo and Ignatius' marriage certificate confirms that.

That's it in a nutshell. I don't speak Italian but can read it a bit and that has deterred me from trying to contact any Churchs in Italy but I am ready to take the plunge now!

Terri


Hello Terri,
you can find Monreale civil records to the following address

Comune
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza Vittorio Emanuele, n. 8
CAP 90046 Monreale (PA)
Italy

or rent Monreale civil record microfilms to FHL (mormon church)

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... onreale+++

you can find Palermo civil records to

Comune
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Giulio Cesare 52
90127 Palermo - Italy

or you can rent Palermo civil record microfilms to FHL (mormon church)

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... Palermo+++

and there si also an archive (Archivio di Stato di Palermo) that own the second copies of civil records

http://wwwdb.inroma.roma.it/SEARCH/BASI ... PALERMO%22

I hope it helps, bye Riccardo :lol:

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 15 Jul 2006, 00:40

Terri,
Let us know what you think of the two census records.

??

1920 Manhattan, NY
10 Delaney St.

Carrozzo
Tony-head-37 Italy-immig. 1906
Jennie-wife-41 Italy-same
Ignius-son-19 Italy-same
Frances-daug.-17 Italy-same
Frank-son-13 NY
Joe-son-12 NY

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/4940 ... 9309vh.jpg

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Sorry, I originally typed it as 1930! :oops:
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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 15 Jul 2006, 01:43

Here is a 1930 census.

Address: 10 Delenay St, Mahattan, NY

Surname: Carrozzo
Anthony-Head-48 Italy-age @ 1st marriage 32 (abt.1914)-immig. 1904-AL-occu:laborer
Jennie-wife-51 Italy-age @ 1st marriage 17 (abt.1896)-immig 1906-AL
Frank-son-22 NY
Joseph-son-21 NY

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5607 ... 9306mz.jpg

Possibility??? Ignius (sp),b. 1901, Giobanna b. 1899, & Franes b. 1903, were from Jennie's 1st marriage???

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby teacup » 15 Jul 2006, 07:08

JCSM, wldspirit, thanks for the information, I am in awe that you could find so much in such a short time!

I am intrigued with the possibility that the greatgrandmother may have remarried. It may well be my grandfather and Great Aunt in the orphanage, if the GGrandfather had died and the mother couldn't support them. Very, very interesting. It would also explain how my grandfather could send one of his children to an orphanage, if he had already been in one. It's so amazing that you could pull thge census information out so quickly. I was going through Brooklyn line by line, no wonder nothing turned up!

Ricbru, once again I thank you for the contact information. I have enough to keep me busy for a long time.

Does this group have a Germany counterpart?

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby jcsm400 » 15 Jul 2006, 07:25

Hi Terri,

This could be your grandfather's naturaliztion information.

Eastern District District Court of NY Naturalization Records Index (includes Richmond County)

Family Name- Given Name- Year- Petition Volume- Petition Number
Carrozza Ignatus 1927 303 87704 C620.

You're welcome & good luck in your research. Let us know how it goes and/or if you need anything else.

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Re: Carrozza/Cottone/Macaluso from Monreale

Postby wldspirit » 15 Jul 2006, 12:26

Here is a site which you may find useful in ordering records on the Carrozza children so that you may confirm their relationship to you,
otherwise without records to back up the finding, it remains a possibility.

http://www.nyspcc.org/beta_history/index_history.htm

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