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Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby Gianetta42 » 08 Aug 2006, 23:23

My grandmother has provided me with very scanty information about her paternal family, but I'd like to find more for her if I can about where they lived and where they came from in Italy. Her father's name was Anthony (Antonio) Pirro. The information on his parents is as follows:

mother: Rosaria (nee Dolce) Pirro, b. 1873 in Roccasecca. Arrived in USA 1905, with five children, plus baby Antonio who was born on the ship.

father: Benedetto Pirro, b. sometime 1860-1865 in S. Giovanni. Arrived in USA 1905, with wife and children. His occupation is listed as stone mason, and he was accompanied by two brothers, Rocco and Alexander Pirro. (*a log record shows a Beradino Pirro from "Roccatecca" arriving in 1899 age 33, but this is believed to be a transposed entry and incorrect*)

All of the above information is from Ellis Island records and information gathered from some of the older siblings. I don't know where to look in order to learn more about the family, or how to reconcile the discrepancies in my great-great grandfather's records. What should I do next?

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 01:09

Have you gathered all US documents and if so, what have you gathered?
The next step after this would be collecting records from Italy, or if you are lucky, perhaps the Lds has microfilmed the town of origin.
Could you provide a link to the manifest, as well as mention the state in which they resided.
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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 01:22

Is this the family in the 1920 census?

1920 United States Federal Census Record
about Rose Pirro
Name: Rose Pirro
Home in 1920: Mount Vernon Ward 4, Westchester, New York
Age: 47 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouses's Name: Bernard
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of immigration: 1890
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 397

Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Pirro 54
Rose Pirro 47
Thomas Pirro 16
Tony Pirro 14
Albert Pirro 12
Adolf Pirro 10
Joseph Pirro 8
Bernard Pirro 5

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby ditota » 09 Aug 2006, 01:42

Gianetta & wldspirit,

3 May 1910 Census shows this family living at 9 N. Bleeker St Mt. Vernon, Westchester County, New York:
Head: Bernado Pirro 45, stone cutter, immig. from Italy 1900
Wife: Rose 35, immig. from Italy 1905. This is their 1st marriage, married 17 years, 8 children, 6 living.
Daughter: Camalei 14, immig. from Italy 1905
Daughter: Gena 10, immig. from Italy 1905
Son: Thomas 6, immig. from Italy 1905
Son: Toney 4, born in New York
Son: Albert 2, born in New York
Son: Adolph 3 months, born in New York
Brother: Louis 28, stone cutter, immig. from Italy 1905

What's interesting is this family that lived around the corner on the next block at 15 North Bond St.
Head: Rocco Pirro 31, mason, immig. from Italy 1900.
Wife: Julia 26, immig. from Italy 1905. This is their 1st marriage. Married 3 years, 1 child.
Son: Arthur 2, born in New York
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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby ricbru » 09 Aug 2006, 02:10

Gianetta42 wrote:My grandmother has provided me with very scanty information about her paternal family, but I'd like to find more for her if I can about where they lived and where they came from in Italy. Her father's name was Anthony (Antonio) Pirro. The information on his parents is as follows:

mother: Rosaria (nee Dolce) Pirro, b. 1873 in Roccasecca. Arrived in USA 1905, with five children, plus baby Antonio who was born on the ship.

father: Benedetto Pirro, b. sometime 1860-1865 in S. Giovanni. Arrived in USA 1905, with wife and children. His occupation is listed as stone mason, and he was accompanied by two brothers, Rocco and Alexander Pirro. (*a log record shows a Beradino Pirro from "Roccatecca" arriving in 1899 age 33, but this is believed to be a transposed entry and incorrect*)

All of the above information is from Ellis Island records and information gathered from some of the older siblings. I don't know where to look in order to learn more about the family, or how to reconcile the discrepancies in my great-great grandfather's records. What should I do next?


Hello,
you can request birth certificate of Bernardo Pirro to

Comune
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza Umberto I
CAP 03028
San Giovanni Incarico (FR)
Italy

or you can request a copy of his birth record to

Archivio di Stato di Caserta

http://archivi.beniculturali.it/ASCE/home.html

or rent San Giovanni Incarico civil record (from 1809 to 1865) microfilms to FHL (mormon church)

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... o+civile++

You can request Rosaria Dolce birth certificate to

Comune
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Via Roma, 5
CAP 03038
Roccasecca (FR)
Italy

or you can request a copy of her birth record to

Archivio di Stato di Caserta

http://archivi.beniculturali.it/ASCE/home.html

or you can rent Roccasecca civil record (from 1809 to 1865) microfilm to FHL (mormon church)

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... o+civile++

I hope it helps, bye Riccardo :lol:

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 02:21

That is interesting.......if in fact this is the correct family, the Pirro men all list profession of stone cutter/stone mason......
one of the men list Roccasecca as place of birth, and the census for Bernard list immigration of 1888, wife of 1890........

Keep in mind, family memories may not reflect factual information.
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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby Gianetta42 » 09 Aug 2006, 03:03

Wow. I never expected such a response! Thank you!!

That is certainly the correct family, all the correct uncles, aunts, and Bernardo's brothers. The discrepancy between the dates of immigration confuse me a little bit, but I take it that is not unusual. For example, the 1910 census has more accurate dates of immigration (c. 1905) for Rose than the 1920 census does (c. 1890). Is there a way to reconcile those records? Or should I expect a little grey area among various records, especially the further they date from the original event?

I don't have access to any documents from the US, except the SSDI records for all Bernardo and Rose's children (I've found all but two), and Toney Pirro's death certificate.

Thank you so very much for all your help. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 03:40

Great......here is naturalization information and certificate numbers on the Pirro family:

PIRRO ALEXANDER Declaration 1922 A-0024(3)
PIRRO ANTONIO Petition 1896 A-0140(4)L[F3]
PIRRO BERNARDINO Declaration 1916 A-0008(23)
PIRRO LAUIS Petition 1924 A-0022(13)S(Z12)
PIRRO LEONARDO Petition ca. 1900-1901 A-0036(5)
PIRRO LEONARDO Petition 1901 A- 0140(38) L[F2]
PIRRO LOUIS Declaration 1919 A-0027(4)
PIRRO LUIGI Declaration ca. 1904-1906 A-0006(5)
PIRRO PASQUALE Declaration 1928 30707 A-0143(5)
PIRRO TOMMASO Declaration 1925 A-0024(15)


To send for this information:

http://www.co.westchester.ny.us/wcarchi ... #OrderCopy

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby ditota » 09 Aug 2006, 05:23

Gianetta,

After having viewed many thousands of LDS records nothing surprises me when it comes to inaccuracies of dates, ages, given names and even surnames. Many parents even got younger with the birth of each child according to the ages given on the birth acts :roll: !

In 1910 Rocco Pirro lived at 15 North Bond St. in Mt. Vernon. The 1920 census shows Bernard living across the street at 16 North Bond but by this time, 3 Jan 1920, Rocco Pirro age 41, stone mason was sharing with another family a rented residence at 173 Eagle St. Albany, NY and he gave his immigration date as 1890 instead of 1900.
His wife, Julia age 36, is recorded as immigrating in 1895 rather than 1905. Both reportedly became citizens in 1903. The children living with them were:
Arthur 11
Paul 7
Albinno (Albino) 4
Rocco 1 month
All of the children were born in New York.
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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 05:41

Here is Rocco's draft registration...

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6159/roccomj8.jpg

Rocco's 1910 census......

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6816/rocco1910go2.jpg

Rocco's 1920 census......

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5669/s1920hm3.jpg

will work on other images if not already posted....also, here is a possibility for Rocco Jr.'s draft registration:

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Record
about Rocco F Pirro
Name: Rocco F Pirro
Birth Year: 1919
Race: White, citizen
Nativity State or Country: New York
State: New York
County or City: Westchester

Enlistment Date: 19 May 1942
Enlistment State: New York
Enlistment City: Fort Jay Governors Island
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 4 years of high school
Civil Occupation: Motorcyclist
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 67
Weight: 150



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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby Gianetta42 » 09 Aug 2006, 06:18

What is the best way to go about finding a marriage record for Bernardo and Rose? That's acutually what I'm searching for. I wanted the name of the Church where they were married, if that can be unearthed.

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 06:25

For Rose and Bernardo:

1910 census:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7853/rosefy4.jpg

1920:

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8522/rose1920ub1.jpg

I have yet to place them on 1930 census....... :?

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 06:43

Address for parish:

http://www.parrocchie.it/gear/dettaglio.html?id=12651

and a form letter for request in case you do not know Italian......

http://www.anzwers.org/free/italiangen/ ... rishpriest

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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby Lagunasuz » 09 Aug 2006, 08:13

if I am trying to find family in Sicily, how do I do that? I have the name of the boat they left on, and the town they came from.
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Re: Pirro of S. Giovanni

Postby wldspirit » 09 Aug 2006, 08:21

Hi Suzanne,
Could you start your own thread so as not to confuse post with this one?
We have a great team working here at ItalianGenealogy who will be more than able to assist you.
Welcome to the forum..
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