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di bernardi

Postby claudiospacemen » 24 Nov 2006, 13:13

Hello, i'm looking for my wife's great granfader birthplace in italy
I have his name , his wife name and their parents.pls can anyone help, she's trying to get her italian passport.
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Postby nuccia » 24 Nov 2006, 16:20

Hi Claudiospacemen,

Welcome to the forum. :D

We can try to help you but you need to post the details (names you have)here so we know who you are looking for.
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Postby suanj » 24 Nov 2006, 17:25

Claudiospacemen: in Italy are so much Di Bernardi, so you must to provide more details.. regards, suanj
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Re: di bernardi

Postby claudiospacemen » 29 Nov 2006, 10:08

thank you for your anwers, here are the details:
my wifes great grandfather:
Andre Di Bernardi came to brazil around 1900 with Maria Primetena
Andre's Parents:Elisabeth Angela Bernardes e Joci Di Bernardi.
in Brazil, he changed his name to Andre Bernardes.
Well, that's all I got so far...once again thanks everybody!

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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2006, 11:31

it could be DE BERNARDI right spelling, in fact Di Bernardi is a mistaken version of De Bernardi.. sorry ...suanj
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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2006, 11:34

I found a :
ANDREA DI BERNARDO CHEFE 1901 ITALIANA
ANTONIO - FILHO 1901 ITALIANA
FLAVIA - MULHER 1901 ITALIANA
GABRIELE - FILHO 1901 ITALIANA
but you said that the mulher is Maria and this are Flavia s mulher... what documents abt your ancestors you have already found? because with brasilian names misspelled it will be to find something.. Primitena don't exist in Italy.. suanj
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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2006, 11:46

claudiospacemen. for a search are necessary date of birth, date of arrival, right spelling, also of parents firstname, name of children.. for exemple.. Joci what is the italian first name equivalent?... suanj
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Re: di bernardi

Postby claudiospacemen » 29 Nov 2006, 14:43

hi, thanks again.
what I have is my wife's granfathers birth certificate from brazil(sao paulo)
this is how it is spelled:
brazilian(grandfather) only says NICOLAU, and his death certificate says (nicolau bernardes)
son of (ITALIAN) ANDRE DI BERNARDI and (ITALIAN) MARIA PRIMETENA
nicolaus grandparents.
JOCI DI BERNARDI and ELISABETH ANGELA BERNARDI
RAPHAEL PRIMETENA e SANTA MARQUEZZANO.
ah, nicolau's birthday(brazilian) 1/april/1910, so I believe he came around 1900.
thanx again. alot

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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2006, 21:39

I believe that the last surnames could be PRIMITERRA and MARCHESANO.. I believe that your ancestors could be born in Abruzzo region, and in some common of Chieti province especially... you can write, only if you know almost the Andrea birthyear, in Chieti State Archive... Di Bernardi sure was a surname present in sant'Eusanio town but is only a my suggestion, because also the surname, as Primiterra and Marchesano, it are in TERAMO province( always Abruzzo region), however the region is sure to 90%: Abruzzo. Without italian ancestor birthyear as is possible a search? regards, suanj
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Re: di bernardi

Postby claudiospacemen » 30 Nov 2006, 21:52

I'm having a REAL herd time finding this guys...I guess a little italian would help..I'll try and squeeze some more information out of my wifes parents...
But still, i'm thankfull for your help.
I foud the other surnames, but i couldn't tie them up!
(but i'm kind of limmited by "surname navigator.org")
and to search 4 info here in rio, i'll need the exact date of arival, wich i don't have, I think he (andre) should be around 25.30yr in 1910(when nicola was born).

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Postby suanj » 01 Dec 2006, 18:15

so the birthyear could be from 1880 until 1885.... claudiospacemen: but andre was already mar5ried when came in Brasil... it is strange that no children before of your Nicolau... the Maria birth area is in Chieti province, especially Torrevecchia Teatina town.. the Andre birth area is near .. I believe that Sant'Eusanio is Sant'Eusanio Forconese town (L'Aquila province)and no Sant'Eusanio nel Sangro (Chieti province)...however for Joci Di Bernardi you means Giorgio or Giosuè first name? I cannot understand this Joci what can to mean in italian .. the right italian spello of Andre's father first name is most important... however when you have the right info, almost the probable birthyear (and no a large period as 1880-1885 ) you can write in Archivio di Stato dell'Aquila town and also in Archivio di Stato di Chieti town, asking the militar service record of Andrea DI BERNARDI ( with space) born abt...
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Re: di bernardi

Postby claudiospacemen » 03 Dec 2006, 20:13

hi, thanks again!
look, I think that the great-grandfathers name (joci) its actually JOSE or JOSEPH, and ANDREA, before came to brasil left a SON in Italy, also named JOSE/JOSEPH Di Bernardi, prob. born in italy around 1900 as well.
Thanx again, looks like we're (u) are getting closer!
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Postby claudiospacemen » 14 Dec 2006, 09:54

:oops:I'm having no progress at all...That was the last info I could get...Andreas father was Giosue, or jose, or joseph. I did't find the state archives(I'm having a hard time with my Italian!)......pls..

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Postby suanj » 14 Dec 2006, 11:35

claudiospacemen wrote::oops:I'm having no progress at all...That was the last info I could get...Andreas father was Giosue, or jose, or joseph. I did't find the state archives(I'm having a hard time with my Italian!)......pls..


well: you send a letter for to request a search in Liste di Leva folder ( militar service) abt your ancestor here:

ARCHIVIO DI STATO L’AQUILA
PIAZZA DELLA REPUBBLICA, 9
67100 L'AQUILA(AQ)
Italy

emailasaq@archivi.beniculturali.it
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ARCHIVIO DI STATO DI TERAMO
Corso Porta Romana, 68
64100 Teramo (TE)
Italy

emailaste@archivi.beniculturali.it
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Archivio di Stato di Chieti
Via Ferdinando Ferri, 25-27
66100 Chieti (CH)
Italy
emailasch@archivi.beniculturali.it

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gentile Direttore,
mi chiamo..... (your name) e sono cittadino brasiliano discendente di emigrati italiani.
Il mio antenato si chiamava DI BERNARDI Andrea classe 1880/5 figlio di Giosuè o Giuseppe Di Bernardi ( Joci in brasiliano) e la madre era Elisabetta Angela.
Andrea era coniugato con PRIMITERRA Maria figlia di Raffaele e MARCHESANO Santa. Andrea e Maria emigrarono in Brasile verso il 1900, e so che hanno lasciato un figlio in Italia di cui non so niente.
Con la presente cortesemente prego che si possa rintracciare nelle liste di leva il nominativo del mio antenato DI BERNARDI Andrea classe 1880/5 al fine di conoscere il Comune di nascita.
Ringrazio moltissimo e resto in attesa di risposta.
Distintamente,
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Re: di bernardi

Postby suanj » 14 Dec 2006, 11:40

if no positive reply from this archives you will write also in pesacara Archive, but i believe that already very sufficient!
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