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Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby Poipuo4 » 12 Dec 2006, 14:28

Can someone tell me what I should do next in my search? I am looking for Guiseppe Insarda. His Americanized name would be Joseph Insardi. All I have is his Ellis Island records:
First Name: Guiseppe
Last Name: Insarda
Ethnicity: Italian, South Italian
Last Place of Residence: Feroleto
Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1903
Age at Arrival: 19y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Cataluna
Port of Departure: Genova
Manifest Line Number: 0029

In 1911, his wife, Teresa Ventura Insarda died in NY City on Kenmare Ave. I have her death certificate. She was buried in an unmarked pauper's grave. According to family lure, his three girls, went to Catholic nuns to be raised and his son went to the NY Foundling Hospital. The children were Dorothy (not sure the Italian version), Stella, Maria Maddelena, Guiseppe Nicola. There is a story that he left America and returned to Italy and died there at a very young age, but we have no proof that he left America. I wrote to the NY archives for a birth certificate of one of the children, whose name, birth date and birth location I am sure of, but they had no record. I have been waiting several months to get a baptisimal certificate of one of the children from the Old St. Patrick's Cathedral to see if there is any info. on her parents, Guiseppe and Teresa. I also have an order for a search of marriage certificates in NY for Guiseppe and Teresa. If there is a marriage certificate it would be between 1903 and 1906 based on the birth dates of the children. Where should I look next?

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Postby wldspirit » 12 Dec 2006, 14:50

There is this record, would this be your Joseph Jr??

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about NICHOLAS JOSEPH INSARDI
Name: INSARDI, NICHOLAS JOSEPH
Social Security #:
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1910
Birthplace: NEW YORK
Death Date: 28 Feb 1987
Death Place: VENTURA
Mother's Maiden Name: VENTURA

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Postby Poipuo4 » 12 Dec 2006, 15:21

Thank you. Yes, that was their son. Do you have any recommendations what information I should be looking for next? Is there census info. or should I now turn to Italian records?

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Re: Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby vj » 12 Dec 2006, 16:16

there may be a 1910 census
do you already have Nicola in Brooklyn in 1920? 1930?
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possible marriage info:
Family Name Given Name Month of Marriage Day of Marriage Year of Marriage Certificate Number County Soundex
Ventura Teresina Feb 14 1904 1302 Kings V536
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Postby vj » 12 Dec 2006, 17:15

do you have this possible manifest?
(from ancestry.com, mis-linked on ellis site)

possible 1903 manifest
18 Nov 1903, SS Hesperia, Naples to NY
lines 16 & 17
Ceresina (Teresina) Ventura, 22 (abt 1881)
- last residence S. Cosentino B.
(possibly San Costantino, comune: Briatico, Vibo Valentia, Calabria)
- going to Brooklyn
- joining uncle Domenico Belsito, Union Place, Brooklyn
(traveling with)
Carmelo Ventura, 14 (abt 1889)

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Postby Poipuo4 » 12 Dec 2006, 17:27

Oh, gosh! I think that is it! Her death certificate says Teresina Ventura. Plus, I know from her Ellis Island papers that her first destination was Brooklyn. That is Kings County, right? I already have an order, searching 1903-1906 in the archives, so I am hoping that will include the certificate. Thanks so much.

I don't have any census info. yet, but I am thinking that 1910 would be the relevant year, considering that Teresina died in 1911 and Guiseppe was never heard from again with the next year or two.

Thank you!

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Postby vj » 12 Dec 2006, 17:33

You're very welcome, we are all happy to help! vj

another, earlier manifest from Nov 1903
with different last residence
did not sail
possible earlier 1903 manifest
9 Nov 1903, SS Sicilian Prince, Naples to NY
lines 22 & 23
Teresa Ventura, 22, single
- last residence Laureana Di B
(possibly Laureana di Borrello, comune: Laureana di Borrello, Reggio Calabria, Calabria)
- going to Brooklyn
- joining uncle Domenico Belsito, Union Place, Brooklyn

brother Carmelo, 14, single

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Postby Poipuo4 » 12 Dec 2006, 17:42

Yes, VJ. That is them. However, this is odd. Ellis Island has two entries with that info. (including the brother Carmelo and uncle Domenico). First Name: Teresa
Last Name: Ventura
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Laureana di B.
Date of Arrival: Nov 09, 1903
Age at Arrival: 28y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Sicilian Prince
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0022

Then there is the entry that you found under Teresina. When I click on the original manifest though under the Teresina entry, it does not seem to match the info.

I have the actual hard copy of the manifest that lists her arrival on 11/09/03 on archival, nice paper. (Did that ship not sail? I see you have a notation "did not sail"?) I know it is the right Teresa because of the uncle Domenico. I am not sure why the info. comes up under two different dates of arrival. These have got to be the same people because of the same name of the brother and same name of the uncle. Hmmmm....

What is fascinating is that already in about half an hour I know more about Guiseppe and Teresa than their children knew their entire lives about them (due to their being orphaned at an early age).

I appreciate all of your help!

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Re: Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby suanj » 12 Dec 2006, 17:56

Hi someone look up this 1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census
Census
View Image Name: Giusseppe Ingarda
Spouse: Teoessine
Birth: abt 1885 - location
Arrival: year
Residence: 1910 - city, New York, New York



It will be interesting to read.. thanks, suanj

PS: Dorothy is Dorotea in Italian spell..
PS: the right spelling of surname is Insardà ( with accent)
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Re: Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby jcsm400 » 12 Dec 2006, 20:04

For you, Suanj!

1910 United States Federal Census
about Giusseppe Ingarda
Name: Giusseppe Ingarda
[Giuseppe Ingardo]
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Teoessine
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 14, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Giusseppe Ingarda 25
Teoessine Ingarda 26
Alphonsa Ingarda 5
Madelaine Ingarda 3
Stella Ingarda 1 4/12
Nicholas Ingarda 2/12

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Postby Poipuo4 » 12 Dec 2006, 20:45

Thank you, JCSM. I think I have to cry a little now. :cry: I can't believe you found that. That is most definitely them! That really means a lot to me. Teresina died the next year at about 27 years old of t.b. IMHO very tragic to die under 30 and leave 4 children and to never live out "The American Dream." I think that census was the last snapshot of them as a family.

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Re: Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby VaDeb » 12 Dec 2006, 22:13

This maybe Nicolas in 1920.

Name: Nicholas Insarde
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 17, Kings, New York
Age: 9 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Birthplace: United States of America
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9237/1920uq4.jpg


Possible 1930 Census
Name: Nickolas Insardi
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Race: White

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1614/1930tr8.jpg

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Re: Need help finding info. on Guiseppe Insarda

Postby suanj » 13 Dec 2006, 05:46

jcsm400 wrote:For you, Suanj!

1910 United States Federal Census
about Giusseppe Ingarda
Name: Giusseppe Ingarda
[Giuseppe Ingardo]
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Teoessine
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 14, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Giusseppe Ingarda 25
Teoessine Ingarda 26
Alphonsa Ingarda 5
Madelaine Ingarda 3
Stella Ingarda 1 4/12
Nicholas Ingarda 2/12

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Thank you jcsm400! the census is right!
Giuseppe and Teresina (Teresa diminutive), and Alfonsa, Maddalena, Stella and Nicola... Dorotea ( all first names in italian spell) born after 1910... sure... now we must find Giuseppe... if he back in Italy, perhaps in Feroleto, and the death record it must be in Feroleto.... kisses, suanj
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Postby suanj » 13 Dec 2006, 06:07

Alphonsa/Alfonsa daughter... she could be Dorothy.. ? just a suggestion... regards, suanj
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Postby Poipuo4 » 13 Dec 2006, 14:01

Thank you everyone! I just got back to the computer this morning. I am amazed with everything you have discovered. I found out that Dorothy's birth name was Alphonsa and that she changed it to Americanize it, so you did find the correct family. Also, that is the correct person (Nick) you found in the 1920 and 1930 census. Nick did work in radio and was in an orphanage as a child. This is amazing that he was in an orphanage in Brooklyn. The girls and Nick were separated when Teresina died and lost each other. They were reunited about 30 yrs. later when they heard Nick on the radio. Now it turns out that Nick was in Brooklyn at the same time I know that Alphonsa was in Brooklyn. Unfortunately, they did not know they were living in the same city at the time!

Grazie mille for all of your kind work on this. I can not thank you enough! My family is thrilled with these discoveries! :lol:


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